Are we willing to pay 35 million per year for Cam?

[DeeJay]

If they draft Grier

Nope

[Moorgan]

I think there are several owners who CANNOT afford the guaranteed money that is happening in contracts these days. If I remember correctly, the guaranteed money of a contract must be put in escrow for the player immediately. So the owner has to have that much liquid at that moment. Luckily we have the 2nd richest owner in the league who is very liquid and can do these kinds of deals. Out of curiosity, I wonder which team has the richest owner? Don't answer that I'm being facetious.

So while most everyone is considering the cap hit ramifications, which is more important, I'm also saying not every team can do deals like these regardless of cap manipulations (er Saints) because the billionaire owner actually can't afford it (er Raiders). Just something else to keep in mind.

[Mvp2014]

Russell is the only Hustle

[raleigh-panther]

Having a decent backup or two is smart

look at New England. 

They had jimmy G with Brady in his prime and got draft picks for him when he showed he could perform. 

Same with the QB from state, Brisset I think it was. 

Those backups gave the organization leverage over Brady if they needed it and options when he was hurt and suspended. 

Thats what smart teams do.  

Who do the panthers have....two backups that wound be practice squad for other teams 

it is time to smarten up.  I don’t care how great the defense is, without a qb and protection for him, with today’s nfl rules, that team is going nowhere 

get that backup. Protect qb1. If he is hurt or doesn’t perform the organization has options. I love Cam too and I know he has been heroic but competitive pressure is good 

[MountaineerChemist10]

Yes but Cam is going to have to have at least one Pro Bowl season, which i'm not that worried about. He was on fire until the Steeler's game.

Oh, and we're going to need some damn protection!

[CarolinaNCSU]

6 hours ago, BrianS said:

I don't look at it in terms of dollars.  I look at it in terms of percent of the total cap.  A franchise QB can take up 10-15% of your cap without crippling you.  Getting above that, and you quickly find yourself lacking the players to compete "somewhere" and other teams figure it out and expose you.

Now, this all assumes Cam is still a franchise QB after surgery.  If his arm is 2015 again, yea, he's good for 10-15%.  If not, then I think you start to look elsewhere if that's the money he's after.

Quoted for truth.  The money isn't the issue, it's the cap %.  People freaked out when Cam got his first contract at the number....well now it's an outright steal.  People freak out at RW's number now...in a few years, it's probably a steal. 

QB taking up X percentage of the cap is the true indicator and point that matters.  The cash is nothing.  Also fully believe the next CBA will put a % cap on QBs or a number of players each team can have making X number.  

[raz]

no way.  cam isn't as good as russell.  rusell has every bit the arm and he actually has incredible touch.  he's every bit the runner as cam also.  he's better than cam in every way as a qb.  and i can't stand him at all. he's so fake.  cam deserves to be about the 10th to 12th highest paid qb, but that's not how it works.  

[Moorgan]

7 minutes ago, raz said:

no way.  cam isn't as good as russell.  rusell has every bit the arm and he actually has incredible touch.  he's every bit the runner as cam also.  he's better than cam in every way as a qb.  and i can't stand him at all. he's so fake.  cam deserves to be about the 10th to 12th highest paid qb, but that's not how it works.  

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[TheRed]

Any quarterback worth a damn whether it's Cam or whoever is eventually going to get paid big by this team. The dad jeans wearing cheapskates around here need to either get used to it or go watch a different sport.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Panthers8969 said:

And the Seahawks did t win that SB bc of Wilson. Mark Sanchez would’ve led them to victory that game. 

Agree that cam May have had a better line, Wilson also does a lot with little surround talent, like cam. Let’s not act like half of cams interceptions aren’t bc the WR fugged up either. Compare cams rushing stats/ tds to Wilson’s. Both are great qbs, unbiasedly, I might say Wilson is better, but biasedly, I’ll let the mvp award speak for itself 

I hear you.

I give Carroll the credit for that loss. The CB knew what was coming and made a helluva play. 

[TheRed]

So Wilson is head and shoulders above Cam now?

The ungrateful mentality of this fanbase knows no bounds apparently.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to watch this same lot singing a different tune several years from now when we are trotting out a mediocre QB and going nowhere.

[thefuzz]

40 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Any quarterback worth a damn whether it's Cam or whoever is eventually going to get paid big by this team. The dad jeans wearing cheapskates around here need to either get used to it or go watch a different sport.

Hell you talking about?

Jake got paid big.  Cam got paid big.

 

[TheRed]

21 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Hell you talking about?

Jake got paid big.  Cam got paid big.

 

You might want to reread the post.

The point wasn't that the Panthers haven't paid a QB big before. The point was that it is now unavoidable. Even journeymen QB's are going to command some serious coin. Fans who think we are just going to keep drafting high quality QB's and shipping them off after their rookie contracts are up are in for a rude awakening. They see how successful the Chiefs are with Mahomes and don't fully account for how many years it took for KC to stumble into that kind of talent under center. Who was the Chiefs QB before Alex or Patrick? There ya go.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Paying Cam 35m a year will cripple this organization. One of the things that has helped NE win SBs is Brady isn't after a record setting contract. He wants to win and he knows that if he breaks the bank, his chances of winning go down. I realize that he and Cam are totally different QBs with totally different skill sets, but it's worth noting. Brady wants to win, more than anything. And it helps supplement his checkbook with all the endorsements he receives as arguably the GOAT QB ever. I know there are no guarantees in the NFL, and these guys want to make as much money as they can while they can, but what is the cost is more than just $$$.

Ever notice how players keep going to NE and play for less than they could make on the open market? It's all about winning to them, and they're willing to do what it takes to have the best chance to win it all. I know everyone hates to hear look at NE, look at what they're doing, but it works. in 18 seasons as HC, they have 8 trips to the SB with 6 wins, 2 losses and another 4 losses in the AFC Championship game. That's 66% of seasons that BB has been HC in NE that has resulted in AFC Championship game or better. Why players, coaches and GMs aren't paying close attention to that, and keep demanding ridiculous contracts baffles me. 

I would be trying to follow this proven pattern of success.