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Dave Choate of the Falcoholic grades our draft

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and he's not wrong.

He makes a good point of our recent troubles getting anything after our first 2 rounds.  We've got to do better there.

 

The Carolina Panthers are at a bit of a crossroads. They didn’t fire Ron Rivera and they didn’t ease out Marty Hurney, their once-and-present GM, and the building blocks of the franchise (Cam Newton, Christian McCaffrey, roughly 3,000 pounds of defensive tackle) are still here. Yet this is not a team that can stand pat, and they were all too aware of that.

The Panthers, in case you missed out on their delightful 2018 season, started the year 6-2 and looked like they’d seriously challenge the Saints for the divisional crown. From there, they lost seven of their final eight games, including a second loss to the also struggling Falcons, and finished the year 7-9 and reeling. They went into free agency and snagged the market’s top center in Matt Paradis, added some veteran pass rushing help in the form of Bruce Irvin, locked up some of their better free agents, and perhaps most importantly fired Matt Kalil into the sun. Going into the draft, they had the look of an improved team, albeit perhaps only a slightly improved one.

The draft class, to be truly successful, would need to patch over other holes and add at least a couple of impact starters, plus depth to help down the line. Did they accomplish that?

 

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2019/5/2/18523830/nfc-south-draft-grades-breaking-down-the-panthers-who-we-do-not-like

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Ian Thomas did too.  We'll see about the rest from last year. But the year before that only Armah is still on the team,  zero from the year before that,  and only Daryl the year before that.  Maybe most teams are similar, but we haven't been hitting on much after Round 2.

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12 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

Ian Thomas did too.  We'll see about the rest from last year. But the year before that only Armah is till on the team,  zero from the year before that,  and only Daryl the year before that.  Maybe most teams are similar, but we haven't been hitting on much after Round 2.

As strong as Gettleman started out with Star and Short, his later drafts oooked about like later Hurney 1.0 drafts. Pretty much trash.

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21 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

Ian Thomas did too.  We'll see about the rest from last year. But the year before that only Armah is till on the team,  zero from the year before that,  and only Daryl the year before that.  Maybe most teams are similar, but we haven't been hitting on much after Round 2.

Taylor Moton '17? CAP in '15? I wouldn't say Gettleman's later picks have all been disastrous, more like mediocre. His odd year drafts have been spot on. It's his even years that are the sucky ones.

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44 minutes ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

Taylor Moton '17? CAP in '15? I wouldn't say Gettleman's later picks have all been disastrous, more like mediocre. His odd year drafts have been spot on. It's his even years that are the sucky ones.

 

Moton was a second round pick.  CAP is on the team for now.

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The guy is not wrong.  Our later round picks have been underwhelming for a long time.  I truly think that is a result of having RR friends coaching positions instead of quality coaches who can actually develop people. I think Tepper saw that as well. I think he evaluated every part of the team and the progress they are making like any business.  I am hopeful that can change with the new experienced coaches we have added. Especially Fewell.  I am really hoping he can make something out of Gualden, Corn, Doss, And Seymour.  We don’t need Probowlers out of the later rounds, but we do need guys who can develop into serviceable depth when called upon.  

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Not a lot of teams consistently hit on 4-7 the players in those rounds are ''usually'' there for a reason. Personally I'd like to see us use our young guys earlier in their careers because sometimes you learn in the fire. I also understand the ''staffs'' potential trust issues with young players and maintaining assignments consistently.

I think Butler is a victim to a degree of being behind an All-Pro, similar to the point made in that article about Scarlett being behind CMC. Same deal when we took CAP he was stuck behind Stewart. As we know Rivera / staff stick with ''the'' guy. I'd wager if Funchess hadn't fallen apart in the same game DJ started to take over in DET, then followed that up with an injury we'd still be in the dark on his 1st round potential. As this staff over the years, rarely elevates the drafted talent, and brings them along as they like to say.  

 

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8 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I think Butler is a victim to a degree of being behind an All-Pro, similar to the point made in that article about Scarlett being behind CMC. Same deal when we took CAP he was stuck behind Stewart. As we know Rivera / staff stick with ''the'' guy. I'd wager if Funchess hadn't fallen apart in the same game DJ started to take over in DET, then followed that up with an injury we'd still be in the dark on his 1st round potential. As this staff over the years, rarely elevates the drafted talent, and brings them along as they like to say

Butler plays a position that has heavy rotating.  He gets about 33% of all defensive snap counts (not including special teams).  For comparison Short gets about 58-60% of defensive snaps.  

CMC, DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel just needed opportunity.  You could argue that DJ Moore should have had more chances sooner. But once these players got their chances, they showed why they belonged.

Scarlett won't be getting 1/3rd of the reps behind CMC.  Butler has had plenty of chances to bring himself along.  Its not on the staff at this point.

 

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Every year I review each pick from the previous 2 years to see how they are doing. Teams rarely hit on pick's after the 3rd round. I'd estimate a 5-10% success rate with picks in the later rounds, and it is lower the later the pick.

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2 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

The guy is not wrong.  Our later round picks have been underwhelming for a long time.  I truly think that is a result of having RR friends coaching positions instead of quality coaches who can actually develop people. I think Tepper saw that as well. I think he evaluated every part of the team and the progress they are making like any business.  I am hopeful that can change with the new experienced coaches we have added. Especially Fewell.  I am really hoping he can make something out of Gualden, Corn, Doss, And Seymour.  We don’t need Probowlers out of the later rounds, but we do need guys who can develop into serviceable depth when called upon.  

He is not necessarily wrong, but the success rate of all picks past the second round is pretty low, and we are about average in that regard. I read the other day that the number of fourth round players who stay in the NFL more than four years is around 4%.  For third round, its  a little better at 30%, but still not high.  It appears we got three good players out of the last draft.  If that holds true, its above average.

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