Every pass blocking rep from Greg Little

[MasterAwesome]

21 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Give me some credit. I've been begging for a legit FS for YEARS but it's not the ONLY thing I talk about. That dude literally just does nothing on here but snipe at anyone that isn't nuthugging on every move the Panthers make.

I don’t think I’ve seen him post anything positive about the Panthers though...you seem to be conflating “attacking negativity” with “blind homerism”. I’m personally in the former camp myself, in that if I think someone is spewing negative misinformation about any personnel (player, coach, GM, etc.) on this team, then I attack that premise.

Simply taking the stance of “let’s not pretend like we’re a bunch of know-it-all experts sitting on the couch” does not make one a blind homer. I think panthers55 might be the closest thing we have to a homer...others like myself and perhaps Moo Daeng just seem to be tired of the constant baseless attacks on this team and its players. I don’t think you’ll ever see either of us making some ridiculous hype post or thread about a player or the team.

Like your post about Little’s technique...what are your qualifications to make that claim so matter-of-factly? To me, that would be the equivalent of if I were to watch an open heart surgery and say “this surgeon seems very amateurish...I’ve watched a lot of reality medical tv”. I mean maybe you’ve been an o-line coach for 25 years, in which case I’ll eat crow.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

I don’t think I’ve seen him post anything positive about the Panthers though...you seem to be conflating “attacking negativity” with “blind homerism”. I’m personally in the former camp myself, in that if I think someone is spewing negative misinformation about any personnel (player, coach, GM, etc.) on this team, then I attack that premise.

Simply taking the stance of “let’s not pretend like we’re a bunch of know-it-all experts sitting on the couch” does not make one a blind homer. I think panthers55 might be the closest thing we have to a homer...others like myself and perhaps Moo Daeng just seem to be tired of the constant baseless attacks on this team and its players. I don’t think you’ll ever see either of us making some ridiculous hype post or thread about a player or the team.

Like your post about Little’s technique...what are your qualifications to make that claim so matter-of-factly? To me, that would be the equivalent of if I were to watch an open heart surgery and say “this surgeon seems very amateurish...I’ve watched a lot of reality medical tv”. I mean maybe you’ve been an o-line coach for 25 years, in which case I’ll eat crow.

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

 

 

So, what's the point of this forum? If we need to have the experience of actual NFL coaches in order to have an opinion on anything let's just shut it down.

It seems like people just revert to the "well, you're not an *insert NFL coach or staff position*" argument when they disagree with an opinion and can't voice a counterargument of their own.

[Black&BlueBubba]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So, what's the point of this forum? If we need to have the experience of actual NFL coaches in order to have an opinion on anything let's just shut it down.

It seems like people just revert to the "well, you're not an *insert NFL coach or staff position*" argument when they disagree with an opinion and can't voice a counterargument of their own.

Igo won’t like that very much. 

[Icege]

I was down on him when i first watched the game, but after going back and seeing how awful Daley was i was less disappointed in him.

Looked super messy tho technique wise 

[L-TownCat]

My super sleuthy untapped genius coaching eye saw the future of the position....

 

srsly tho, watching those reps I saw some good, some iffy and 1 blatant outright hold/tackle by the rook. 

I'm not blown away by it and Im not disappointed in PSG1.  Cam looked awful in his first preseason game too.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 hours ago, Waldo said:

He is looking like a project this year. He looked on par with the 3rd stringers and bad for a backup. Hopefully we will not see him during the season because he looks no where near ready to protect our QB against NFL starters.

Alarming would be Larson. He was getting manhandled and looked terrible. For a guy with his experience I was hoping for a step forward, not backward.

Agreed on Larsen. I don't think it's any coincidence that we picked up a FA center since that game. 

[Basbear]

I watched him the first time and came away concerned. He looked weak, didnt have a good punch at all, sloppy technique, and gave away plays by his set. 

Hes a raw work in progress, I hope Matsko doesnt break this kids soul cause he needs LOTS of coaching UP. My rule is give rookies 1 full year before judgement, Little may need that plus some. Needs the light to go on and get his balance first.  

[mcsmoak]

14 hours ago, bababoey said:

If you really watch in college and then against the Bears he has gotten better.  At Ole Miss it was good technique bad technique every other play and got away with it because he has great foot quickness.  Against the Bears I only saw about 3 bad pass drops where he got his nose over his toes.  Much better than college.  Not one run set was in that highlight film but I dont remember one time they ran toward his side, it was always the right side they ran toward. 

So is he better than what he was in college? Yes.  Is he perfect like the huddle expects? No.  But if he had to start the entire year he would be better than some guys we have had over there (Bryon Bell) and probably no worse than last year.  Just going on the Bears game.  Can he keep that up through the preseason?  I have no idea.

The one I would be worried about is the SC kid.  He missed at least 2 blitz pickups.  One Little pealed off and picked up the inside guy the other sacked Allen.  With him its not technique its assignment and that can get a QB killed.

I thought Daley looked pretty good for the most part.  He did miss a couple blitzes like you said up the middle, but keep in mind he has always played Tackle.  This was his first time playing guard in a game and will improve.  Once he gets a little more experience he’ll be a nice backup option to have at guard and/or tackle.

[Rubi]

Most people talking crap about him / arguing with me on this forum we’re just talking out of their ass. He’s gonna be fine 

[Rubi]

14 hours ago, bababoey said:

If you really watch in college and then against the Bears he has gotten better.  At Ole Miss it was good technique bad technique every other play and got away with it because he has great foot quickness.  Against the Bears I only saw about 3 bad pass drops where he got his nose over his toes.  Much better than college.  Not one run set was in that highlight film but I dont remember one time they ran toward his side, it was always the right side they ran toward. 

So is he better than what he was in college? Yes.  Is he perfect like the huddle expects? No.  But if he had to start the entire year he would be better than some guys we have had over there (Bryon Bell) and probably no worse than last year.  Just going on the Bears game.  Can he keep that up through the preseason?  I have no idea.

The one I would be worried about is the SC kid.  He missed at least 2 blitz pickups.  One Little pealed off and picked up the inside guy the other sacked Allen.  With him its not technique its assignment and that can get a QB killed.

The roquan sack was a missed assignment by Artis Payne fwiw

[MasterAwesome]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So, what's the point of this forum? If we need to have the experience of actual NFL coaches in order to have an opinion on anything let's just shut it down.

It seems like people just revert to the "well, you're not an *insert NFL coach or staff position*" argument when they disagree with an opinion and can't voice a counterargument of their own.

Except the argument that I feel like you and others revert to is “you’re just a blind homer and I don’t have to support everything about the team to be a fan” if anything you say gets challenged. I’d be more than willing to engage in actual fact-driven discourse, but I don’t think many people are open-minded enough for that. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Except the argument that I feel like you and others revert to is “you’re just a blind homer and I don’t have to support everything about the team to be a fan” if anything you say gets challenged. I’d be more than willing to engage in actual fact-driven discourse, but I don’t think many people are open-minded enough for that. 

I stated my specific issues with Little's play. What more do you want? Sorry my opinions don't fit with the "facts" that your "open mind" has preconceived.

[Rubi]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I stated my specific issues with Little's play. What more do you want? Sorry my opinions don't fit with the "facts" that your "open mind" has preconceived.

Little played decent in his debut. He graded well

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Rubi said:

Little played decent in his debut. He graded well

Are we talking about PFF? Because I put very little stock in PFF. Plus, PFF is only grading effectiveness, not technique. Little was primarily going up against second and third stringers if that in the first game. His technique was a mess. That's just the honest truth. Yes, he kept marginal NFL players from making plays thus he was effective, my concern is that based on his technique he woul have likely been much less effective against NFL starting or even rotational caliber players.