Gano might not kick all preseason

[TheRed]

The Panthers aren't in a position to head into the season with a hobbled kicker. We already have enough uncertainty with the OL. Odds are we are going to need some field goals in the clutch if our OL is going to be giving up free shots on our QB. We need a healthy kicker.

[TNPanther]

Maybe the coaching staff is not all that enamored with Gano anymore and wants to see what #4 is made of?

Just a thought.

[ellis]

You take the good with the bad with Gano. 

Several dramatic booming walk-off field goals.

Several critical missed extra points.

[Bartin]

24 minutes ago, Waldo said:

IR looks like the best call. If Sly chokes we can reactivate him and if not we can cut him in the offseason. The biggest negative with IRing a kicker is we have to carry him on the roster for a day which is a spot that should go to a guy we don't want to expose to other teams. I guess we could IR him now and see if another team makes a move on him?

I’ve come around to IR-Return being the best choice for the kicking situation and really I’m not too concerned about whatever 53rd guy on the roster we would have to expose being picked up by someone else. It would be someone that will have little to no impact on the season and would also be easily replaceable. Getting the kicking situation wrong could have a huge impact. That should be the priority.

[PurityControl]

I was ready to move on from Gano after the SB.

 

I'm crossing my fingers we keep Slye 

[Captroop]

Keep Slye, regardless of how we handle Gano. I've really liked what I've seen out of him all preseason. And he's only 23! I like the idea of having the Kicker spot set for the next 10-15 years.

[SBiii]

It's preseason.

Like the other vets, we already know what Gano can do, no need to risk him in a game that doesn't count.

[hepcat]

Got a feeling Gano kicks week 1 and Slye is cut 

[tiger7_88]

8 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Gano might not kick all preseason

[KB_fan]

9 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Could Gano be going to IR?   That means we will have to keep 2 guys on the original 53 and then move Gano 24 hrs later. 

I'm thinking this is the most likely scenario at the moment. It's worrying on several levels. 

1. Gano takes up a space on the initial 53, exposing someone else we want to keep to waivers.

2. We'd use up one of our two short-term IR options on Gano if we brought him back.

I've been supportive of keeping Gano, but this is getting problematic. If Slye shines again, we might have to bite the bullet of cutting Gano. I'd rather swing a trade, but don't feel so hopeful about that.

In playing with a new roster projection, I came up with 56 guys we'd like to keep (including BOTH Gano and Slye for the moment). Here are the bottom 12.  To keep both kickers on the initial 53, you have to cut / expose to waivers 3 of these 12 guys. Who do you axe?

Grier, Hearn, Scarlett, Torrey Smith, Godwin, Butler, Cox, Obada, Miller, Elder, Elliot, Seymour.

You hope to bring 1 of the 3 cut guys back after sending Gano to IR, but still, that is a tough cut list.  Doesn't even count guys like Heinicke, Greene, Bonnafon, Holyfield, Levrone, Mickens, Ross, Vanderlaan, Kunaszyk, Doss, Coke Luke...., who I'd already "cut" thinking that many of them will make the PS.

Keeping 3 QBs and 2 kickers on initial 53 will lead to brutal cuts. At this point I'm not even sure we will start with 3 QBs unless Grier looks a lot better in preseason game 4.

-----

Edit: I suppose for context as to how brutal cutting 3 of the above 12 players is, here's my list of 44 roster "locks"

QBs = 2  Cam, Allen.  (Grier is in my bottom 12 list, Heinicke cut or traded or PS if eligible)

 OL = 8.   Williams, GVR, Paradis, Turner, Moton, Little, Daley, Larson.  (That's not really enough guys. I have Hearn in the bottom 12 list and Greene or other OT on PS.)

RB/FB = 3. CMC, Armah, CAP (Pretty sure we want 4 guys here. Scarlett is in my bottom 12, I have Bonnafon and Holyfield as potential PS guys. Note I'd prefer we keep Scarlett and Bonnafon, but predicting what team will do )

So already, 3 positions, 3 guys you probably don't want to cut/ expose Grier, Hearn, Scarlett.

TE=3. Greg, Thomas, Manhertz

WR=4. Samuel, Moore, Wright, Hogan.  (No way we keep only 4, but Smith and Godwin are in my bottom 12 list. Mickens too might be in consideration for returner..., But I had Godwin ahead of him.)

DT=4. McCoy, Short, Poe, Love. (Again not enough depth. Butler is on my bottom 12 list)

DE/OLB = 4. Addison, Burns, Irvin, Haynes. (Obada, Miller, Cox in my bottom 12)

LB=5. Luke, Shaq, Carter, Smith, Norris.  (I almost had Norris in my bottom 12, but he's important on ST, and our LB depth is shakey).

DBs=7. Bradberry, Donte, Reid, Boston, Cockrell, Jones, Gaulden. (In my bottom 12 are Elliot, Elder and Seymour. Need to keep either Elliot or Elder at Nickel... just not sure who wins. "Already cut" / PS are Doss, Cole Luke).

Specialists 4: JJ, Palardy, Slye, Gano.

I'd prioritize keeping: Grier, Hearn, Scarlett, Godwin, Butler, Obada, Miller, Elder, Elliott.

Cut: Torrey, Cox, Seymour

(also cut, Heinicke, Greene (OT), Bonnafon, Holyfield, Mickens, Levrone, Kunaszyk, Doss, Cole Luke. ... at least some of whom would presumably be on PS)

 

 

 

[beastson]

5 hours ago, Castavar said:

And it's not like it was "hindsight is 20-20" either. If you go back and read threads about it at the time, I would say a majority of us wanted us to keep Butker and cut Gano.

But now we are paying him top kicker money to miss clutch kicks/XPs and is always hurt. Sad.

Wouldn't be surprised if history repeats itself

[Bartin]

3 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'm thinking this is the most likely scenario at the moment. It's worrying on several levels. 

1. Gano takes up a space on the initial 53, exposing someone else we want to keep to waivers.

2. We'd use up one of our two short-term IR options on Gano if we brought him back.

I've been supportive of keeping Gano, but this is getting problematic. If Slye shines again, we might have to bite the bullet of cutting Gano. I'd rather swing a trade, but don't feel so hopeful about that.

In playing with a new roster projection, I came up with 56 guys we'd like to keep (including BOTH Gano and Slye for the moment). Here are the bottom 12.  To keep both kickers on the initial 53, you have to cut / expose to waivers 3 of these 12 guys. Who do you axe?

Grier, Hearn, Scarlett, Torrey Smith, Godwin, Butler, Cox, Obada, Miller, Elder, Elliot, Seymour.

You hope to bring 1 of the 3 cut guys back after sending Gano to IR, but still, that is a tough cut list.  Doesn't even count guys like Heinicke, Greene, Bonnafon, Holyfield, Levrone, Mickens, Ross, Vanderlaan, Kunaszyk, Doss, Coke Luke...., who I'd already "cut" thinking that many of them will make the PS.

Keeping 3 QBs and 2 kickers on initial 53 will lead to brutal cuts. At this point I'm not even sure we will start with 3 QBs unless Grier looks a lot better in preseason game 4.

For me, you just cut Smith, Cox or Obada(whichever loses the roster spot) and whichever CB is at the bottom of the list then hope to bring the CB back if no one else picks him up. Would most easily be done with Seymour who isn’t even subject to waivers as a veteran. Just tell him ahead of time that they need his roster spot for a day and he will be right back on the team.

The other option would be cutting both Heinicke and Allen then bringing the one back. Grier would get claimed. Neither of those two would since nearly every team is going down to 2 QBs on cut day and won’t have room for guys that haven’t even looked good in preseason and don’t even know the team’s playbook. Even if one of them gets claimed then just bring back the other. There’s not a lot of difference there and neither is leading us to wins. Worst case is if someone did claim both of them then you could probably get someone like Josh Dobbs who will likely be cut in Pittsburgh if a 3rd QB was really that necessary.

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'm thinking this is the most likely scenario at the moment. It's worrying on several levels. 

1. Gano takes up a space on the initial 53, exposing someone else we want to keep to waivers.

2. We'd use up one of our two short-term IR options on Gano if we brought him back.

I've been supportive of keeping Gano, but this is getting problematic. If Slye shines again, we might have to bite the bullet of cutting Gano. I'd rather swing a trade, but don't feel so hopeful about that.

In playing with a new roster projection, I came up with 56 guys we'd like to keep (including BOTH Gano and Slye for the moment). Here are the bottom 12.  To keep both kickers on the initial 53, you have to cut / expose to waivers 3 of these 12 guys. Who do you axe?

Grier, Hearn, Scarlett, Torrey Smith, Godwin, Butler, Cox, Obada, Miller, Elder, Elliot, Seymour.

You hope to bring 1 of the 3 cut guys back after sending Gano to IR, but still, that is a tough cut list.  Doesn't even count guys like Heinicke, Greene, Bonnafon, Holyfield, Levrone, Mickens, Ross, Vanderlaan, Kunaszyk, Doss, Coke Luke...., who I'd already "cut" thinking that many of them will make the PS.

Keeping 3 QBs and 2 kickers on initial 53 will lead to brutal cuts. At this point I'm not even sure we will start with 3 QBs unless Grier looks a lot better in preseason game 4.

Not brutal at all. 

  Torrey Smith- needs to be cut anyhow. Certainly not going to miss him. Sign him back after week one when the whole year won’t be guaranteed. Just week to week. 

 Elder/Elliot- Not worries about losing either. Keep Elliott. Let Elder teat the waters. 

 Seymour- I’m shocked he’s still around at all. Certainly not worried about losing him. 

Cox/Obada- Keep Obada. Cut Cox. 

Hearn- again, not worried about losing him either. 

 The hardest part would be finding 53 worth keeping. 

[Carl Spackler]

24 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'm thinking this is the most likely scenario at the moment. It's worrying on several levels. 

1. Gano takes up a space on the initial 53, exposing someone else we want to keep to waivers.

2. We'd use up one of our two short-term IR options on Gano if we brought him back.

I've been supportive of keeping Gano, but this is getting problematic. If Slye shines again, we might have to bite the bullet of cutting Gano. I'd rather swing a trade, but don't feel so hopeful about that.

In playing with a new roster projection, I came up with 56 guys we'd like to keep (including BOTH Gano and Slye for the moment). Here are the bottom 12.  To keep both kickers on the initial 53, you have to cut / expose to waivers 3 of these 12 guys. Who do you axe?

Grier, Hearn, Scarlett, Torrey Smith, Godwin, Butler, Cox, Obada, Miller, Elder, Elliot, Seymour.

You hope to bring 1 of the 3 cut guys back after sending Gano to IR, but still, that is a tough cut list.  Doesn't even count guys like Heinicke, Greene, Bonnafon, Holyfield, Levrone, Mickens, Ross, Vanderlaan, Kunaszyk, Doss, Coke Luke...., who I'd already "cut" thinking that many of them will make the PS.

Keeping 3 QBs and 2 kickers on initial 53 will lead to brutal cuts. At this point I'm not even sure we will start with 3 QBs unless Grier looks a lot better in preseason game 4.

I'm not sure a third-round QB has ever been cut as a rookie. That would be something. Especially considering Allen has looked slightly better at the absolute best (2 ypa isn't All-Pro numbers IMO)