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Odds shark update on projecting first NFL coach to be fired or resign

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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18 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

It is utterly depressing the number of people who are actively rooting for this season to spiral and willing to sacrifice a year of their lives and fandom for the 5 minutes of satisfaction of seeing an alert on their phone that Rivera has been fired.

If Rivera has another bad season and gets fired, it's not gonna be about five minutes of satisfaction. It'd be about years of future seasons watching the team be led by a better coach (GM too).

Ron may be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm not about to sit through future mediocre seasons just to avoid hurting his feelings.

 

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Seems like a bad bet honestly. I’m pretty sure Tepper is not impulsive and will realize that firing the HC in the middle of the season never actually accomplishes anything. Ron is gone the Monday after week 17 in my opinion.

Gruden on the other hand with Snyder in charge? I’d put my money there.

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19 minutes ago, GoPanthers123 said:

We lost two close games. One to best team in NFC, one in which Cam got injured.  Plus all the botched ref calls.  Literally this close to being    2-0 now.  

The problem is we find ourselves in that kind of situation too often. Close but not good enough. That's a leadership thing.

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18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Rivera has another bad season and gets fired, it's not gonna be about five minutes of satisfaction. It'd be about years of future seasons watching the team be led by a better coach (GM too).

Ron may be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm not about to sit through future mediocre seasons just to avoid hurting his feelings.

 

fug people's feelings. Making business decisions based on "feelings" results in a failed business.

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24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Rivera has another bad season and gets fired, it's not gonna be about five minutes of satisfaction. It'd be about years of future seasons watching the team be led by a better coach (GM too).

Ron may be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm not about to sit through future mediocre seasons just to avoid hurting his feelings.

 

Amen 

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26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Rivera has another bad season and gets fired, it's not gonna be about five minutes of satisfaction. It'd be about years of future seasons watching the team be led by a better coach (GM too).

Ron may be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm not about to sit through future mediocre seasons just to avoid hurting his feelings.

 

I'm not arguing that there needs to be a change in leadership unless this season turns around in ways it's tough to visualize at the moment.

It's also not about his feelings... Ron (and Marty) are big boys, and they knew from day 1 what the stakes were and they are compensated as such.

There is certainly a part of me, too, that's wants something new.  Right now, it certainly seems like Rivera's time is up.  That's not what this is about- it is that I feel Rivera's overall body of work warrants more respect that a lot of people seem to want to give him.

I also think people vastly overestimate the probability the next coach is going to be better or even as good as Rivera.  

It is unrealistic to think there are a multitude of coaches who would have done any better over the last 8+ years in a division with a first ballot HOF QB in Drew Brees and one that could be in Matt Ryan.  Regardless of circumstance, Rivera oversaw a team that made the playoffs 4 times, won 3 straight division titles, and coached a team that went 15-1 with a SB appearance.

Of course Cam had a part in this, but it is simply false to act like Rivera was/is incompetent as a coach.  The above things didn't just come to fruition happenstance.  They didn't vote him Coach of the Year twice just to be nice.

Now having said that, I also understand sports are about the present and the future, and I'm not fighting for Rivera to keep his job absent an unlikely playoff run.  His trajectory has pointed down since the SB, and the team's performance since the middle of last year is enough cause to justify his dismissal.

It just won't be a happy day for me, and it has nothing to do with feelings.  I'm too much of an optimist, in life and in sports, to actively root for failure in order to get to some imagined better future that may or may not be.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

As things stand now, it looks like Rivera will be fired. I'm certainly not advocating that a change in leadership isn't going to be warranted.

I just personally don't see this as a cause for celebration.

The success rate for new coaches is abysmal.

However it ends, Rivera's tenure overall has been a good thing. There are a lot of teams that have not had the success the Panrhers have had over the last 9 years.

This just always reminds me of the Sopranos where Tony tells his crew (and a nod at society at large) that there are those who just want to see someone whacked, no matter who logical or what the repercussions are.

There is no celebration in watching another season of talented players potentially squandered.

Not all of this is Rivera's fault. But the same issues keep biting us in the ass, and the buck stops with Ron. He has been in place for almost 10 years. He has been shaping all of this.

We need to be honest about something. Ron the last couple of years has been iffy on coaching hires too. After McDermott left for Buffalo Ron has only brought in his friends or promoted from within. Turner has been a mixed bag at OC, Washington was really bad last year. To top it all of we were outcoached by Byron Leftwich last Thursday night.

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1 hour ago, Seltzer said:

It is utterly depressing the number of people who are actively rooting for this season to spiral and willing to sacrifice a year of their lives and fandom for the 5 minutes of satisfaction of seeing an alert on their phone that Rivera has been fired.

It’s depressing you think that the only satisfaction would be seeing that he was fired. The satisfaction actually comes next season when there is real hope and not just “missed opportunities”

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