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SetfreexX

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4 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

What part of I'm happy with the 4-2 record do people not get?

I'm more impressed overall with the defense and CMC's ascension, not by a game manager. Kyle is DOING his job.

I'm just saying he's not what people are hyping. 

As I said in another thread, we don't need Superman. We need Robin. CMC is Superman now. We just need a guy who can get the ball to all of his playmakers and to play within the parameters of the offense.

With Cam, there are two receivers on any given play, his primary read and CMC. With Allen, he reads the defense and knows where to look, even if it's not the primary route runner, prior to the play even beginning. 

Bowles said it himself, preparing for the offense with Allen is more difficult than preparing for it with Cam. I'll take Todd Bowles word over people on a message board. I've been a Cam defender since he got here but it's painfully obvious that this offense doesn't require a super star at QB. It doesn't require a MVP. It requires a guy who can play within what the coach is trying to do and what the defense is giving you. Allen may be a Game Manager but 4-0 is 4-0. You can't take him out now. 

85% of the fan base took the red pill and we all want to see how far the rabbit goes. It's a harsh truth, especially considering how Cam was, but you don't take the ball out of Allen's hands now. 

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13 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

As I said in another thread, we don't need Superman. We need Robin. CMC is Superman now. We just need a guy who can get the ball to all of his playmakers and to play within the parameters of the offense.

With Cam, there are two receivers on any given play, his primary read and CMC. With Allen, he reads the defense and knows where to look, even if it's not the primary route runner, prior to the play even beginning. 

Bowles said it himself, preparing for the offense with Allen is more difficult than preparing for it with Cam. I'll take Todd Bowles word over people on a message board. I've been a Cam defender since he got here but it's painfully obvious that this offense doesn't require a super star at QB. It doesn't require a MVP. It requires a guy who can play within what the coach is trying to do and what the defense is giving you. Allen may be a Game Manager but 4-0 is 4-0. You can't take him out now. 

85% of the fan base took the red pill and we all want to see how far the rabbit goes. It's a harsh truth, especially considering how Cam was, but you don't take the ball out of Allen's hands now. 

I would argue that the ball has not been placed in his hands as of now, we can get by with the defense & CMC vs teams without playoff caliber quarterbacks. Only Watson among the last four QB's we've faced has playoff experience. 

Beating two rookie QB's (Murray / Minshew) and the real Jameis Wisnton showing up is not a lot to warrant the amount of hype / credit Kyle has received. I hope he's able to keep it up, but it's going to continue to be about the defense, and CMC producing like he is. 

Our roster overall is better than all of those teams, and may be a wash vs HOU where our defense saved us. And all credit to Kyle for that ONE pass. 

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How can you say that if it wasn’t for good defense and a good run game that we would have lost those games?

Football is a team sport. It’s not all on the QB. We have a good TEAM with a quarterback that is making plays and taking care of the ball. 

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4 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I would argue that the ball has not been placed in his hands as of now, we can get by with the defense & CMC vs teams without playoff caliber quarterbacks. Only Watson among the last four QB's we've faced has playoff experience. 

Beating two rookie QB's (Murray / Minshew) and the real Jameis Wisnton showing up is not a lot to warrant the amount of hype / credit Kyle has received. I hope he's able to keep it up, but it's going to continue to be about the defense, and CMC producing like he is. 

Our roster overall is better than all of those teams, and may be a wash vs HOU where our defense saved us. And all credit to Kyle for that ONE pass. 

Who...cares? When you aren't throwing interceptions and are making the throws you are supposed to make, the ball doesn't have to be put in your hands. The one time it was required, against Houston, he delivered. Is Cam the more athletically gifted quarterback? Yes. But he has always had issues making the right reads in the passing game. If his first or second option isn't there, things usually breakdown for him.

Go watch the All 22 film and you'll see Allen make quicker decisions and come off his reads much faster than Cam if the guy isn't there. It's simple.

People want to compare Allen to Case Keenum which is also fine. We will never know if Keenum could've followed up his 12-4 season in Minnesota with an encore because they didn't resign him and instead signed a mediocre Kirk Cousins. How has that worked out for them?

With a talented team, you don't need a guy to go out and win you games with his play alone. He can be a part of the solution without being a part of a problem. 

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I’ve never seen so many excuses for why people aren’t good on this team.

Ron isn’t good without Cam to save him.

Kyle isn’t good without CMC and a defense.

Running game isn’t good without Cam as a threat.

Constant circular logic to explain why one player isn’t as good as you think. Sick of hearing it. Fact is the team is built as a team and to compliment each other. Everyone works together and all pieces are important to the whole of the team. When CMC gets 1 yard a carry you’re telling me it doesn’t matter that Kyle put together a 99 yard heavily passing drive?? When we face a tough pass rush with little time to get the ball out you mean we have to run it?? You mean to tell me that defensive take aways help the offense with momentum and scoring position?? That a top 10 pick and MVP candidate who trains his body relentlessly gets tons of snaps and touches??

 

why the fug we do we even play or draft anyone?? We played the games according to a plan based on our coaches evaluating match ups? When CMC has room to run we do it all day because he can’t be stopped. When CMC gets all the attention we throw the ball and make plays passing. The defense brings pressure and makes plays. Special teams does everything they can to get us the ball and put us in good position. You mean we didn’t run and pass for 500 yards and score a TD with every offensive skill player on every series? That we didn’t get a pick or strip sack or TFL on every play? 

Sick of hearing about how if we didn’t have our best players playing and making plays that we wouldn’t be good.

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42 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I would argue that the ball has not been placed in his hands as of now, we can get by with the defense & CMC vs teams without playoff caliber quarterbacks. Only Watson among the last four QB's we've faced has playoff experience. 

Beating two rookie QB's (Murray / Minshew) and the real Jameis Wisnton showing up is not a lot to warrant the amount of hype / credit Kyle has received. I hope he's able to keep it up, but it's going to continue to be about the defense, and CMC producing like he is. 

Our roster overall is better than all of those teams, and may be a wash vs HOU where our defense saved us. And all credit to Kyle for that ONE pass. 

One could say that the 4 teams be beat were playing against a rookie QB with no playoff experience.

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42 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I would argue that the ball has not been placed in his hands as of now, we can get by with the defense & CMC vs teams without playoff caliber quarterbacks. Only Watson among the last four QB's we've faced has playoff experience. 

Beating two rookie QB's (Murray / Minshew) and the real Jameis Wisnton showing up is not a lot to warrant the amount of hype / credit Kyle has received. I hope he's able to keep it up, but it's going to continue to be about the defense, and CMC producing like he is. 

Our roster overall is better than all of those teams, and may be a wash vs HOU where our defense saved us. And all credit to Kyle for that ONE pass. 

I could argue the sky is purple, it doesnt make it true. CMC had combined for like 67 yards yesterday, thats not really great production. His best run was like 6 yards maybe.

The only people who are suggesting Kyle is this great player are you guys suggesting he isnt by saying he is first.

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