WOW pff stat: cam's time to throw will surprise you!

[Peppers90 NC]

It is way easier to beat the oline when you know the ball is going to be snapped at :01 especially now play clocks are eye level in each endzone

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

I mean I can assure you Cam definitely was better at waiting for his reads to develop in their routes moreso than Kyle has, which I went over in my other thread.

I’m sure you’ve watched the film. Kyle seems to be more of a one read then check down guy. He knows presnap where the ball is going and if it’s not there he dumps it off. Which isn’t a bad thing, it just means some bigger plays are left out there, but also less mistakes. What are you seeing? Derek Anderson was a guy who I also predetermined who he was throwing it to before the snap. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Right but I do agree with @CRA that some of that has to do with the pre-snap activity. You have to be a disingenuous fughead to say that we haven’t gotten to the line way earlier in the snap count and that helps to align the blocking and blocking help rather than allow the DL to time the snap.

After watching the pre-snap/playclock/not wasting timeouts/no delay of games, I’m on the Cam’s fault side versus coaching. I certainly wasn’t on that side before Allen.

If Cam can improve that then I think he’d get better OL play be default. I remember seeing Williams get beat off the ball when it seemed like he wasn’t ready yet. He still sucks balls at LT but it sure would help to see where the DL and bring Olsen in tight or move Manhertz/Armah/CMC around because we have time to do that.

and DLs simply can time every shotgun snap Cam takes near perfectly....they get the aid of Cam’s tell and the play clock. 

 Cam needs to get to the line earlier.  Cam needs to work on his pre-snap behavior in general.  

[Saca312]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

I’m sure you’ve watched the film. Kyle seems to be more of a one read then check down guy. He knows presnap where the ball is going and if it’s not there he dumps it off. Which isn’t a bad thing, it just means some bigger plays are left out there, but also less mistakes. What are you seeing? Derek Anderson was a guy who I also predetermined who he was throwing it to before the snap. 

Basically have it down. He is a one read then checkdown guy.

To be fair, seems like it's also encouraged by Norv, as it should be. It's really an experience issue moreso in this situation than not, and that'd fixable with development and time.

[Peppers90 NC]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

and DLs simply can time every shotgun snap Cam takes near perfectly....they get the aid of Cam’s tell and the play clock. 

 Cam needs to get to the line earlier.  Cam needs to work on his pre-snap behavior in general.  

We know he is capable, which is a good thing. Go back to (I know that one year) 2015 when he had D-lines all flustered and jumping offsides

[Carolina Cajun]

Is it really surprising? Cam newton couldnt throw the ball down the field, teams knew this and loaded the box giving defenses extra rushers.  Add the fact that daryl William's was awful and you get him getting no time to throw.  Allen poses a downfield threat cam didnt.  This is why, if cam is healthy, fine, but unless he can throw the ball down the field accurately, then he will be a detriment to our offense.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

Basically have it down. He is a one read then checkdown guy.

To be fair, seems like it's also encouraged by Norv, as it should be. It's really an experience issue moreso in this situation than not, and that'd fixable with development and time.

Troy Aikman was often a one read and check down QB under Norv.  That was the literally playcall design.  

[Saca312]

Just now, CRA said:

Troy Aikman was often a one read and check down QB under Norv.  That was the literally playcall design.  

I mean it can work. But it often leads to a more limited offense and not as effective in today's NFL.

Aikman's NFL was way different than the NFL today.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I mean it can work. But it often leads to a more limited offense and not as effective in today's NFL.

Aikman's NFL was way different than the NFL today.

Not sure I entirely agree.  Less exciting though. Troy and Norv were bashed for the boring and simple in the 90s.  But it works.  I’d say then and now. 

I’ll try to find it but there was an an old article from the 90s breaking down what Troy and Norv were doing.   Take out the seven step drop and Norv is basically doing what the article broke down.   Can’t seven step drop with the edge rush talent in today’s league.  Rest works.  And less INTs are a byproduct 

Cam healthy last year and Allen this year back it IMO

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

this is literally the opposite of what's happening lmao

e: @Saca312 i know you're on twitter. screenshot that post and share it to the film guys lol

I'm not saying that Kyle throws more deep balls. I'm saying that he isn't checking down to McCaffrey on every other pass play. These are facts as I have them written down at home. Not at home to retrieve my notes at the moment.

Find the Air Travel per m/s of Time to Release and you should find that Allen has a higher metric than Cam. 

[lightsout]

9 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I mean it can work. But it often leads to a more limited offense and not as effective in today's NFL.

Aikman's NFL was way different than the NFL today.

 

I'd say it's plenty effective, just not as explosive in today's NFL.

The explosiveness has been a result of individual efforts rather than sheer play design.

 

Once Cam comes back, what HAS to happen is for Cam to physically show his superiority. There cannot be steps taken backwards for the offense. No needlessly burned timeouts. No dwindling play clocks leading to last second snaps or penalties. An offense that consistently moves down the field and puts up points to help the defense that will continue playing great. If Cam doesn't provide this....we won't be having as much of a Kyle vs Cam debate as a anybody vs Cam debate because Cam can't provide. Again, we all know a Cam ran offense is different from Allen's offense, but it can't be less effective in literally any way.

 

[ChibCU]

1 hour ago, rico6 said:

Being “able” to =\= being good at it. Your premise is just dumb.

You are unable to take a rational approach to your thought process. For some reason, you're excessively emotional.

My premise is that the time to throw is affected by waiting on deeper routes to be ran. It has nothing to do with if the pass is completed or not. I'm not coming off as the "dumb" one here.

[JawnyBlaze]

In addition to the shotgun tell, there’s another maddening tell on the OL. Every time I see the Lg tap the center’s leg then the center immediately snaps the ball I rage. Has happened for years. I don’t see many other teams doing it, but maybe it’s just my viewing bias since I don’t watch other teams as much. 

[rodeo]

saying there's no tangible difference between these two numbers is the most mind blowingly stupid take i've ever seen on the huddle.

CMC ran a 4.48 40 yard dash. so you guys think there would be no tangible difference if he ran a 4.88?