There is only 1 scenario for Cam Jerrell Newton in 2020

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, luke262 said:

I don't care how many drat picks we would get, what on earth has trubisky ever shown you in the nfl to show that he's a better option than cam?!

People are absolutely crazy on this board, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Cam is the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise and everyone is ready to throw him under the bus for Kyle Allen, or this guy wants mitch trubisky, give me a break. 

But Trubisky has something that Cam does not.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

But Trubisky has something that Cam does not.

Herpes?

Bulls tickets?

A 30 min commute to O'hare?

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, luke262 said:

I don't care how many drat picks we would get, what on earth has trubisky ever shown you in the nfl to show that he's a better option than cam?!

People are absolutely crazy on this board, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Cam is the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise and everyone is ready to throw him under the bus for Kyle Allen, or this guy wants mitch trubisky, give me a break. 

It is not as simple as "Cam is better than...."  First of all, there is no certainty that the verb tense (present) is correct (past could be the issue). 

Since there is indecision about Cam's future, I doubt we get a starting QB and a second rounder.  Teams know that cutting Cam is an option, so they are competing with a 2021 late third round Comp pick.  Trading Cam, by the way, saves the team $21m in cap room, while cutting him saves the team $19m.

Look at it this way
Keep Cam Newton:  We get a solid quarterback who has never been top 10 consistently on the stat board (the ways we measure QBs) with a questionable future (injury history) and who has not won a game in over a year.  If he plays well in 2020, we enter $35m per year contract negotiations with a 32-year old running QB with an injury history,  In addition, we could very well lose Bradberry or Thompson, or both. 

Trading Cam Newton:  We go back into a QB search unless Kyle Allen develops. He is 23 and fits this offense better than Cam--however, how long will RR and NT be here? We would have the money to re-sign Bradberry, Shaq, and we could probably sign a free agent WR or C. If we only get a third rounder for Cam, we could draft a QB in the first round (if you do not like Allen by then) in a deep QB draft.  We are actually in a good position to do that.  We could also draft a DT, S early.  

Knowing what I know of a successful hedge fund managers, they focus on the possibilities in the future, not the past. The get in on the front end and ride the wave, getting off the wave before it crashes.  Staying with Cam with all of these variables working against him is not the way Tepper thinks.  He does not care about the past. The QB-rich draft, Cam's age, future contract (2021) and uncertainty--and Allen/Grier as insurance make the move rather obvious-and I wonder if it has not always been in the backs of minds (why we drafted Grier).   Take the emotions out of it.  It is not which QB is /was better.

 

[Waldo]

Yay, free up 19 million and have no QB beyond a jag and a redshirt longshot. That solves all of our problems. It's so simple to find a good QB, just throw too much cash at a limited or old QB or spend a couple of first and hold your breath. All solved!

[Malt Liquor]

They can keep Trubisky but a 2nd, 3rd and maybe a 4th would be great. Championship teams are built through the draft.

[Mr. Scot]

42 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

But Trubisky has something that Cam does not.

The only good thing I can think of that Trubisky has over Newton is his health.

I can think of two or three things Trubisky has which Newton doesn't that are not good.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

It is not as simple as "Cam is better than...."  First of all, there is no certainty that the verb tense (present) is correct (past could be the issue). 

Since there is indecision about Cam's future, I doubt we get a starting QB and a second rounder.  Teams know that cutting Cam is an option, so they are competing with a 2021 late third round Comp pick.  Trading Cam, by the way, saves the team $21m in cap room, while cutting him saves the team $19m.

Look at it this way
Keep Cam Newton:  We get a solid quarterback who has never been top 10 consistently on the stat board with a questionable future (injury history) and who has not won a game in over a year.  If he plays well in 2020, we enter $35m per year contract negotiations with a 32-year old running QB with an injury history,  In addition, we could very well lose Bradberry or Thompson, or both. 

Trading Cam Newton:  We go back into a QB search unless Kyle Allen develops. He is 23 and fits this offense better than Cam--however, how long will RR and NT be here? We would have the money to re-sign Bradberry, Shaq, and we could probably sign a free agent WR or C. If we only get a third rounder for Cam, we could draft a QB in the first round (if you do not like Allen by then) in a deep QB draft.  We are actually in a good position to do that.  We could also draft a DT, S early.  

Knowing what I know of a successful hedge fund managers, they focus on the possibilities in the future, not the past. The get in on the front end and ride the wave, getting off the wave before it crashes.  Staying with Cam with all of these variables working against him is not the way Tepper thinks.  He does not care about the past. The QB-rich draft, Cam's age, future contract (2021) and uncertainty--and Allen/Grier as insurance make the move rather obvious-and I wonder if it has not always been in the backs of minds (why we drafted Grier).   Take the emotions out of it.  It is not which QB is /was better.

 

So I was worried about the whole "if we keep Cam we could lose both Bradberry and Shaq" thing myself yesterday, so I did some digging. Here's what I came up with:

Per spottrac, it looks like we will have 43 million in cap space going into next year as of right now, and signing our rookies in the draft assuming we don't make any major changes to our draft picks should eat about 7 million of that space, leaving us 36 million to either acquire outside free agents or resign some number of existing players on the roster who will be free agents after this season:

Bradberry

Thompson

Vernon Butler

Gerald McCoy

Bruce Irvin

Kyle Allen

Ross Cockrell

Mario Addison

Tre Boston

Efe Obada

Joey Slye

GVR

Kyle Love

Daryl Williams

When I looked at this list I kind of assumed the chances of the team making any real attempt to bring Williams and Kyle Love back to be low to nonexistent, but everybody else seems like someone they might reasonably want to consider bringing back. Anyway the main point is, with 36 million in cap space, I think it's likely a given they can get both Bradberry and Thompson back if those were indeed their top priorities, as I hope they are, it would just be more likely you'd wind up having to let some number of the other guys walk and replacing them with cheaper options, mostly the guys who's names are just after those top two on the list because they have the bigger cap numbers.

So the tentative conclusion I came to is that keeping Cam around doesn't necessarily mean you lose Bradberry and/or Shaq, it just means that if you keep both of them and Cam, you probably sacrifice some of the quality depth we have elsewhere, and you probably forgo the chance to rollover cap space to deal with things like CMC and other young player contracts coming down the line. I'm not necessarily worried too much about those considerations becuase the way I see it we will get signficant cap space back from Matt Kalil's dead money finally going away after next year and either letting KK walk or resigning him at a greatly reduced cap figure. All speculative sure, but these are the kinds of thoughts I have when the 8 ball wears off.

[Mr. Scot]

As to the suggestion, if Newton were traded he'd have to play out his current contract or ask for a renegotiation.

If he were released, he'd be able to shop for the best contract he can get.

Which do you think would be the nicer thing to do for him?

[blackcat]

3 hours ago, Dex said:

Watching Trubisky play for another team actually gave me cancer. Watching him play for my team would be the equivalent of watching my family be murdered while someone dips their buffalo wings in ranch dressing all the while I struggle to pass a kidney stone the size of a soft ball through my cock hole.

This pretty much sums up my feelings as well.  Although, I'd up the ante to passing a basketball sized kidney stone.  I'd rather us just not have a QB than get Trubisky.  Just run the damn wild cat every play, every game.

[KillaCamNewton]

chicago can give us Khalil Mack for Cam or gtfo. nothing else

[KillaCamNewton]

18 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

So I was worried about the whole "if we keep Cam we could lose both Bradberry and Shaq" thing myself yesterday, so I did some digging. Here's what I came up with:

Per spottrac, it looks like we will have 43 million in cap space going into next year as of right now, and signing our rookies in the draft assuming we don't make any major changes to our draft picks should eat about 7 million of that space, leaving us 36 million to either acquire outside free agents or resign some number of existing players on the roster who will be free agents after this season:

Bradberry

Thompson

Vernon Butler

Gerald McCoy

Bruce Irvin

Kyle Allen

Ross Cockrell

Mario Addison

Tre Boston

Efe Obada

Joey Slye

GVR

Kyle Love

Daryl Williams

When I looked at this list I kind of assumed the chances of the team making any real attempt to bring Williams and Kyle Love back to be low to nonexistent, but everybody else seems like someone they might reasonably want to consider bringing back. Anyway the main point is, with 36 million in cap space, I think it's likely a given they can get both Bradberry and Thompson back if those were indeed their top priorities, as I hope they are, it would just be more likely you'd wind up having to let some number of the other guys walk and replacing them with cheaper options, mostly the guys who's names are just after those top two on the list because they have the bigger cap numbers.

So the tentative conclusion I came to is that keeping Cam around doesn't necessarily mean you lose Bradberry and/or Shaq, it just means that if you keep both of them and Cam, you probably sacrifice some of the quality depth we have elsewhere, and you probably forgo the chance to rollover cap space to deal with things like CMC and other young player contracts coming down the line. I'm not necessarily worried too much about those considerations becuase the way I see it we will get signficant cap space back from Matt Kalil's dead money finally going away after next year and either letting KK walk or resigning him at a greatly reduced cap figure. All speculative sure, but these are the kinds of thoughts I have when the 8 ball wears off.

literally all those players are replaceable. havent seen anything from McCoy to warrant a huge extension. i prefer to keep Shaq and Bradberry and love what Irvin and Cockrell have given us. everyone else on the list can be plug and play replacements

[ickmule]

38 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Knowing what I know of a successful hedge fund managers, they focus on the possibilities in the future, not the past. The get in on the front end and ride the wave, getting off the wave before it crashes. 

Ding ding ding ding.  Correct answer boys and girls.  

[Ricky Spanish]

Trubisky is worse than our second year UDFA backup QB. There's no reason in hell for us to trade Cam for him and a 2nd. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Actually there are more than one and this is the least likely to happen if what I'm hearing is true.

To be fair, it might be accurate to say there's really one most realistic scenario at this point.

It just isn't this one.

The idea that Newton will be released and allowed to pursue the best contract he can find seems far more likely.