Kyle Allen Has Shown Enough

[Pantherzack179812]

Dumping off passes lol. Allen literally threw a 59 yard touchdown to score our first points lol. 
 

P.S: it wasn’t to CMC

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

 I’m inclined toward the view that Cam’s future at the relatively young qb age of 30 is iffy in part because the coaching staff continued to incorporate running plays for Cam as a significant portion of the offense past his first couple of seasons instead of insisting he evolve toward more of a pocket passer over time.

 

This is an interesting perspective that has been mentioned before.  I look at a running QB as a running back, QB combo.  A pocket passing qb like Brees, Manning, Brady, etc. can play to age 40 because they do not need their legs as much.  Cam is less effective (average at best) when his run threat is not there.  The average NFL running back gets about 20 carries a game and they hit their peaks at 24 and after age 28 they are basically done.  So Cam may seem young at age 30, but his running ability has been dramatically declining like a RB would. So is Cam effective if he is no real threat to run?  His career accuracy rating suggests that he is at best average--probably below average.  Here is the RB stat from https://apexfantasyleagues.com/2018/01/peak-age-nfl-running-back/#

[MHS831]

Just now, MHS831 said:

This is an interesting perspective that has been mentioned before.  I look at a running QB as a running back, QB combo.  A pocket passing qb like Brees, Manning, Brady, etc. can play to age 40 because they do not need their legs as much.  Cam is less effective (average at best) when his run threat is not there.  The average NFL running back gets about 20 carries a game and they hit their peaks at 24 and after age 28 they are basically done.  So Cam may seem young at age 30, but his running ability has been dramatically declining like a RB would. So is Cam effective if he is no real threat to run?  His career accuracy rating suggests that he is at best average--probably below average.  Here is the RB stat from https://apexfantasyleagues.com/2018/01/peak-age-nfl-running-back/#

It is hard to see, but the RB productivity is highest at age 24 and drops off dramatically after age 28.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm not sure I buy the theory.

Newton was always a Brett Favre style passer. I think even without his legs, he still could have continued to be that.

Igo's belief about his shoulder being arthritic comes into play here though.

[trueblade]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

This is an interesting perspective that has been mentioned before.  I look at a running QB as a running back, QB combo.  A pocket passing qb like Brees, Manning, Brady, etc. can play to age 40 because they do not need their legs as much.  Cam is less effective (average at best) when his run threat is not there.  The average NFL running back gets about 20 carries a game and they hit their peaks at 24 and after age 28 they are basically done.  So Cam may seem young at age 30, but his running ability has been dramatically declining like a RB would. So is Cam effective if he is no real threat to run?  His career accuracy rating suggests that he is at best average--probably below average.  Here is the RB stat from https://apexfantasyleagues.com/2018/01/peak-age-nfl-running-back/#

I know it wasn't your intention, but this has implication for CMC as well. (CMC will be 24 years old when next season starts). We likely have 3-4 years of peak CMC left. 

[Peppers90 NC]

1 hour ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Dumping off passes lol. Allen literally threw a 59 yard touchdown to score our first points lol. 
 

P.S: it wasn’t to CMC

that was literally all Cam was doing last year

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, trueblade said:

I know it wasn't your intention, but this has implication for CMC as well. (CMC will be 24 years old when next season starts). We likely have 3-4 years of peak CMC left. 

The thought was in the back of my mind the entire time.  Interesting information--I simply wonder if it applies to a running QB who takes a beating like Cam.

[CRA]

3 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

the line isn’t why he was throwing the ball directly to falcons like they were on the same team last week. if you look at his output it’s clear what the outliers are.

yeah it was a young QB trying to make a play and forcing balls rather than taking the easy check down.  I mean, you are  watching a young QB learn how to play in the NFL.  There are growing pains.

Allen has done fantastic overall on the year when you factor it all in.  We have a winning record with him as our QB and frankly....had chances to win have of those.  I mean all things considered Allen kept us from winning 1 game.  Not too shabby for a undrafted kid thrust into the starting role. 

[WOW!!]

18 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

I'd rather have him, by far, than the first round QBs drafted by the Redskins or Giants. If you want a second year competitor, how about Josh Rosen over him? Me neither.

We may have found a diamond in the dollar bin. That diamond needs proper cuts and polish, but it just might turn into something pretty good. 

I'd rather have Dainel jones to be honest.. And I see you only name 3 QB's when 8 or 9 were drafted the last 2 years.. How does that statistical breakdown work when you neglect to mention 6 or 7 other players?? 

Just to help you ... You might need to check the stats on the rookie or 2nd year QB for the last 5 years... And how many have stats the same as Allen and team mistakenly  build around them and now see they need another QB??

Again he has 5 more game to change the narrative..

[WOW!!]

17 hours ago, raz said:

i think kyle can be pretty damn good with some decent protection.  decent protection is getting harder and harder to come by in the league.   

I think alot of QB could.. The really good ones can carry it when you don't always have that...

[GoPanthers123]

13 hours ago, CRA said:

yeah it was a young QB trying to make a play and forcing balls rather than taking the easy check down.  I mean, you are  watching a young QB learn how to play in the NFL.  There are growing pains.

Allen has done fantastic overall on the year when you factor it all in.  We have a winning record with him as our QB and frankly....had chances to win have of those.  I mean all things considered Allen kept us from winning 1 game.  Not too shabby for a undrafted kid thrust into the starting role. 

Learning works as two steps forward, one step back.  I always said we should wait until the end of season, then we can talk about QB situation.  

[Khyber53]

3 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I'd rather have Dainel jones to be honest.. And I see you only name 3 QB's when 8 or 9 were drafted the last 2 years.. How does that statistical breakdown work when you neglect to mention 6 or 7 other players?? 

Just to help you ... You might need to check the stats on the rookie or 2nd year QB for the last 5 years... And how many have stats the same as Allen and team mistakenly  build around them and now see they need another QB??

Again he has 5 more game to change the narrative..

How about you list them out, along with stats and wins. I'll wait. It'll prove me correct. I picked the first ones I thought of, but please, be my guest.

[raz]

8 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I think alot of QB could.. The really good ones can carry it when you don't always have that...

that's not really true unless you're talking about russell wilson, and they've improved on that situation there.

[WOW!!]

9 hours ago, raz said:

that's not really true unless you're talking about russell wilson, and they've improved on that situation there.

So Russell Wilson is the only QB to carry a bad oline?? Nahhh I don't think that's correct  .