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- Allen played possibly his best game of the season.  GB did a pretty good job zoning in on CMC.  They also torched our OL, Allen's pocket presence got us out of a TON of negative plays.  Allen is still young and learning which will cause him to make mistakes (see int in the endzone)

- OL is terrible.  

- Pray Little can return, we are not deep.  Williams is a Terrible LT.

- GVR is what everyone already knew but the fanside chooses to ignore.  GVR was ranked one of the worst starting interior OL in the entire league last year but was just overshadowed by the LT disaster.  He has improved this year, but he isnt a starter on good OL in this league.  Great guy, good depth guy.  But really struggles, he completely Whiffed his block on that last run play where CMC was just stopped short.

-what to do at Center.  We're halfway through the season.       And Paradis has been trash.  The signing looks as bad as some of Gettleman's bad ones.  We are stuck with him the next few years, so do we Matt Kalil him and bring in someone else reguardless.  Benching him if he can't beat the new guy out despite the big contract?

 

- Bradberry and DJax.  Jackson is having a SERIOUS case of the sophomore slump.  He has a good play here and there.  But whiffs, a lot.  Bradberry needs to be extended Today.  With him out, the defense struggles.

- the hybrid, 3-4/4-3 combo is not it.  Poe is a 3-4 NT, when we've been at that he's looked good.  When in a 4-3 he's struggled.  When KK has been out, we've played a odd look 4-3.  Ron Loves to mention gaps.  But his 4-3 hybrid Leaves a Huge gap in the middle.  Some people think Luke is taking a step back.  But I think the DL has to do with it.  Ive Never seen as many blockers get to Luke as he is this year.  With that crazy hybrid 4-3 and that wide open middle.  OL have been getting free shots at Luke.

 

- the 2 point conversion and Tepper.  People getting heated at Rivera for that call.  That has Teppers finger prints all over it. Tepper was the one who pretty much dropped the "more analytics".  Well we got the analytics guy, and thats what he called.  So you cant get mad at Ron for that particular call

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You missed the refs. Let’s just discount the roughing the passer call. Boger was waiting to throw the flag the first time Rodgers went down. He could have been blown over by the wind and we would have gotten roughing the passer. 

But the sheer number of obvious missed penalties including a false start by Green Bay and a face mask where both refs in the backfield could see Allen’s head spin. 

Let’s not even get into the holding and the hands to the face that were missed. 

Those refs are going to get a horrible grade today. 

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I like the cut of your jib, OP. 

Kyle showed a lot of nice things yesterday.  He's got some room to grow but that's OK.  Really pumped to watch him play down the stretch.

I think they had Milliams at RT and moved Moton to LT...he's not great over there either.. but to be fair its hard for a guy when he's getting shuffled from one side to anther.  Hard for the guards too.

Agree on the 2 point conversion.  Tepper loves some analytics.  

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3 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

I think they had Milliams at RT and moved Moton to LT...he's not great over there either.. but to be fair its hard for a guy when he's getting shuffled from one side to anther.  Hard for the guards too.

Saw that too.  Moton was at LT when Daley went out and he did not look good over there.  I suspect the injury Daryl took has changed him from a tackle to a guard.  He just looks a step slow now.  

The silver lining here is that the more I see Daley play, the more I think we may have found a legit LT.  He hasn't been "amazing", but he's been competent, and for a 6th round rookie LT who is starting, that's a fine place to be.

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Agree with almost everything OP mentions.  Jackson remains a liability.  His positional awareness needs to improve. At times he is more interested in figuring out whether there is a possibility for an interception rather than making sure that "his man" is properly covered.  

The officiating was bad.  We all agree.  It went both ways and it was not the deciding factor in the game.  The turnovers where painful (certainly the endzone interception) but were also not the reason we lost. Our run defense and the chunk plays allowed did us in. 

I am very impressed by KA.  He is a slippery SOB !!  He kept several plays alive with guys thinking they were about to sack him.  JJW still has nightmares I have been told.

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58 minutes ago, ncfan said:

- Allen played possibly his best game of the season.  GB did a pretty good job zoning in on CMC.  They also torched our OL, Allen's pocket presence got us out of a TON of negative plays.  Allen is still young and learning which will cause him to make mistakes (see int in the endzone)

- OL is terrible.  

- Pray Little can return, we are not deep.  Williams is a Terrible LT.

- GVR is what everyone already knew but the fanside chooses to ignore.  GVR was ranked one of the worst starting interior OL in the entire league last year but was just overshadowed by the LT disaster.  He has improved this year, but he isnt a starter on good OL in this league.  Great guy, good depth guy.  But really struggles, he completely Whiffed his block on that last run play where CMC was just stopped short.

-what to do at Center.  We're halfway through the season.       And Paradis has been trash.  The signing looks as bad as some of Gettleman's bad ones.  We are stuck with him the next few years, so do we Matt Kalil him and bring in someone else reguardless.  Benching him if he can't beat the new guy out despite the big contract?

 

- Bradberry and DJax.  Jackson is having a SERIOUS case of the sophomore slump.  He has a good play here and there.  But whiffs, a lot.  Bradberry needs to be extended Today.  With him out, the defense struggles.

- the hybrid, 3-4/4-3 combo is not it.  Poe is a 3-4 NT, when we've been at that he's looked good.  When in a 4-3 he's struggled.  When KK has been out, we've played a odd look 4-3.  Ron Loves to mention gaps.  But his 4-3 hybrid Leaves a Huge gap in the middle.  Some people think Luke is taking a step back.  But I think the DL has to do with it.  Ive Never seen as many blockers get to Luke as he is this year.  With that crazy hybrid 4-3 and that wide open middle.  OL have been getting free shots at Luke.

 

- the 2 point conversion and Tepper.  People getting heated at Rivera for that call.  That has Teppers finger prints all over it. Tepper was the one who pretty much dropped the "more analytics".  Well we got the analytics guy, and thats what he called.  So you cant get mad at Ron for that particular call

  • Agreed 100%. Kyle Allen is still not starting QB material IMO, but he's getting there. Played a hell lot better yesterday than vs. the Niners
  • I am very disappointed in our OL. I thought it would turn out to be a strength. This is why Cam is so banged up. We've had a good OL only twice in Cam's years ('13 & '15). Maybe three times if you'll count '17.
  • I'm beginning to feel Little should just go ahead & retire. Having concussion after concussion is not healthy. Definitely draft another OT in '20.
  • GVR will be gone after this year. We'll probably sign a vet & draft an OG in the draft.
  • I'd say give Paradis one more year. It takes a long time to recover from fractured fibula (his season ending injury in '18).
  • D-Jax is good, but he is not #1 CB material. Bradberry is, but he's also injury prone.
  • Luke is all-pro in 4-3, but mediocre in 3-4. Seems like Shaq is better than Luke is when we're playing 3-4. Poe is a natural 3-4 run stuffer but that's it. McCoy can play both. I'm afraid switch between 4-3 & 3-4 is beginning to confuse our guys and/or wear them down, BIG time.
  • Yeah, what the hell? Did we go for it b/c of the weather?
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59 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

I like the cut of your jib, OP. 

Kyle showed a lot of nice things yesterday.  He's got some room to grow but that's OK.  Really pumped to watch him play down the stretch.

I think they had Milliams at RT and moved Moton to LT...he's not great over there either.. but to be fair its hard for a guy when he's getting shuffled from one side to anther.  Hard for the guards too.

Agree on the 2 point conversion.  Tepper loves some analytics.  

When Daley went out it killed our oline because Moton as good as he can play LT needs a little practice during the week before being thrown over there...we need little back someone who takes LT snaps all week.

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1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

You missed the refs. Let’s just discount the roughing the passer call. Boger was waiting to throw the flag the first time Rodgers went down. He could have been blown over by the wind and we would have gotten roughing the passer. 

But the sheer number of obvious missed penalties including a false start by Green Bay and a face mask where both refs in the backfield could see Allen’s head spin. 

Let’s not even get into the holding and the hands to the face that were missed. 

Those refs are going to get a horrible grade today. 

That's because they (NFL) have to protect Discount Double Check...their freaking Golden Boy. Who needs an offensive line to protect you when you have refs.

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Agreed on most points but Van Roten probably gets more crap than he deserves. Also him recovering McCaffrey's fumble was one of the most underrated single efforts in the game. To put himself in position streaking down the field behind McCaffrey and being the only other Panther player anywhere in the vicinity to make a play won him a lot of points in my book. 

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2 hours ago, Harbingers said:

You missed the refs. Let’s just discount the roughing the passer call. Boger was waiting to throw the flag the first time Rodgers went down. He could have been blown over by the wind and we would have gotten roughing the passer. 

But the sheer number of obvious missed penalties including a false start by Green Bay and a face mask where both refs in the backfield could see Allen’s head spin. 

Let’s not even get into the holding and the hands to the face that were missed. 

Those refs are going to get a horrible grade today. 

Didnt put them on there.  The refs did suck.

Its the day after.  Would rather point our issues than continue to cry about the refs.  Lets not be Saints fans

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2 hours ago, ncfan said:

- Allen played possibly his best game of the season.  GB did a pretty good job zoning in on CMC.  They also torched our OL, Allen's pocket presence got us out of a TON of negative plays.  Allen is still young and learning which will cause him to make mistakes (see int in the endzone)

- OL is terrible.  

- Pray Little can return, we are not deep.  Williams is a Terrible LT.

- GVR is what everyone already knew but the fanside chooses to ignore.  GVR was ranked one of the worst starting interior OL in the entire league last year but was just overshadowed by the LT disaster.  He has improved this year, but he isnt a starter on good OL in this league.  Great guy, good depth guy.  But really struggles, he completely Whiffed his block on that last run play where CMC was just stopped short.

-what to do at Center.  We're halfway through the season.       And Paradis has been trash.  The signing looks as bad as some of Gettleman's bad ones.  We are stuck with him the next few years, so do we Matt Kalil him and bring in someone else reguardless.  Benching him if he can't beat the new guy out despite the big contract?

 

- Bradberry and DJax.  Jackson is having a SERIOUS case of the sophomore slump.  He has a good play here and there.  But whiffs, a lot.  Bradberry needs to be extended Today.  With him out, the defense struggles.

- the hybrid, 3-4/4-3 combo is not it.  Poe is a 3-4 NT, when we've been at that he's looked good.  When in a 4-3 he's struggled.  When KK has been out, we've played a odd look 4-3.  Ron Loves to mention gaps.  But his 4-3 hybrid Leaves a Huge gap in the middle.  Some people think Luke is taking a step back.  But I think the DL has to do with it.  Ive Never seen as many blockers get to Luke as he is this year.  With that crazy hybrid 4-3 and that wide open middle.  OL have been getting free shots at Luke.

 

- the 2 point conversion and Tepper.  People getting heated at Rivera for that call.  That has Teppers finger prints all over it. Tepper was the one who pretty much dropped the "more analytics".  Well we got the analytics guy, and thats what he called.  So you cant get mad at Ron for that particular call

Analytics doesn’t go with sports. How much damn analytics do Belichick use? 

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5 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Agreed on most points but Van Roten probably gets more crap than he deserves. Also him recovering McCaffrey's fumble was one of the most underrated single efforts in the game. To put himself in position streaking down the field behind McCaffrey and being the only other Panther player anywhere in the vicinity to make a play won him a lot of points in my book. 

Nothing against GVR, I like him, he does give good effort.  But the game isnt won by effort ribbons.

The guy was among the worst interior in the league last year.

Has had some good blocks, but also missed a alot, example  the last play yesterday.

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When are you guys going to see what it is for what it really?

The officials are aware of what the NFL desires and work damn hard to stick to the official story line which was "Green Bay wins"

The same people who believe that the game wasn't won the by officials are just the kind of people politicians and Las Vegas loves to dupe.

Before the "roughing the passer" call that Cam is too young to get the Panthers were poised to keep and build momentum having sacked Rodgers for the safety. How the f' can you rationalize that NOT being the reason we lost by 8 points?!?

Green Bay barely won and we barely lost. The officials determined the outcome of the game. It is what it is. The Panthers are always put in primetime to be the Washington Generals, the team the Globetrotters run over every "show".

It's become less of a real game and more of a show for certain teams fans. Not your teams fans whom they couldn't care less for.

Games like this make you say f' em. Crooked biatches.

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I'm not one to criticize officiating because this is generally an eye roll when a team blames officiating for a loss.  However, that roughing the passer call on McCoy was the difference in this game.  In a game that you knew was going to be tight, that was huge and led to 7 points.

Not sure what happened on the FG and whether or not that was a legit call or mistake, but you can't make those types of mistakes and expect to win at this level.  

 

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