The Grier Question

[carolinarolls]

Kyle has shown more than Grier.  Shown he is both serviceable and abominable.  Serviceable against bad competition with some bright spots sprinkled in and abominable against good competition with some truly sad spots sprinkled in.  Grier has not had the opportunity.  It cannot get any worse.  Mediocre is the new last place.  Start Kyle and sub in Grier without any fear of damaging anyone's feelings.  That is what I hope to see.  I want to see Grier without the full weight of the NFL QB1 responsibility dropped in his lap just yet.  

And, to be clear here, I do not think Will Grier is the answer.  I just want to have a reason to tune in this week and next.  Entertain me motherfvckers!  LOL

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Would it matter at this point? Do you really care if we lose by 20 or 40? I don't. 

My point being, unless the coaching staff really feels that Grier is completely incapable of playing, what is there to really lose anymore? And this is under the assumption that we trust the coaching staff assessment(very debatable). Even if that assessment were true, what does that say about Norv's decision to lobby for him, the coaching staff's ability to get him prepared and Hurney's decision to draft him?

At this point we all are pretty much in agreement that Kyle isn't the future and continuing to send him out to get shelled and perform horribly is not really doing much for his confidence either. I'm just not really buying into any of the downside arguments. 

When the game is over, no I don't care how much we lose by.

When I'm watching it happen, I care a lot.

[raz]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, could it be any more hilariously bad than the SF game? How about last week? 

are you tempting the gods?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

When the game is over, no I don't care how much we lose by.

When I'm watching it happen, I care a lot.

Fair enough. I just don't see the downside to rolling out Grier at some point over these last six games, especially in the highly likely scenario we lose on Sunday and then are all but eliminated from playoff contention. And, especially if Kyle has another stinker of a game or turns the ball over at a high rate. My ultimate question is that if we keep trotting Kyle out there and he keeps failing....what exactly are we doing? Intentionally tanking? Because that is what it would basically look like. 

1 minute ago, raz said:

are you tempting the gods?

Fair point but I've been through the 1-15 season and two Super Bowl losses so I am not sure much more can be done to hurt me(maybe aside from Super Bowl loss #3 without a victory). 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Fair enough. I just don't see the downside to rolling out Grier at some point over these last six games, especially in the highly likely scenario we lose on Sunday and then are all but eliminated from playoff contention. And, especially if Kyle has another stinker of a game or turns the ball over at a high rate. My ultimate question is that if we keep trotting Kyle out there and he keeps failing....what exactly are we doing? Intentionally tanking? Because that is what it would basically look like. 

Fair point but I've been through the 1-15 season and two Super Bowl losses so I am not sure much more can be done to hurt me(maybe aside from Super Bowl loss #3 without a victory). 

I'd be okay with sending Grier out there. I know it's a risk, but you've got to face those at some point.

I agree with Igo that that's probably not going to happen.

[hepcat]

There's 3 ways we see Grier start a game this season.

Kyle Allen gets hurt

The Panthers are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and Rivera says fug it

Tepper steps in and demands he plays

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd be okay with sending Grier out there. I know it's a risk oh, but you've got to face those at some point.

I agree with Igo that that's probably not going to happen.

Yeah, I honestly believe that it wouldn't happen with a healthy Kyle Allen. Nothing about Ron Rivera indicates to me he would bother trying anything different, even in the face of obvious failures. It's the primary reason I think most of the fanbase has soured on him. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I honestly believe that it wouldn't happen with a healthy Kyle Allen. Nothing about Ron Rivera indicates to me he would bother trying anything different, even in the face of obvious failures. It's the primary reason I think most of the fanbase has soured on him. 

Ron has expressed that he wants to develop him, which is admirable.

Of course, to be the guy that does that, you have to still have the job.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ron has expressed that he wants to develop him, which is admirable.

Of course, to be the guy that does that, you have to still have the job.

Yeah, I suppose at some level it is. I am not sure to what end but time will tell.

[TheMaulClaw]

I just dont think you do anything until after the Saints game. We lose to the Saints....experiment away.

[Snake]

2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

I was waiting for the Kyle Allen Fan Club to show up, you never disappoint me with your constant “Nut Hugger” comments even though you seem to have a mouthful of Allen’s.

 

What are you? Just a hater or do you love all the sacks. 

[GoPanthers123]

6 hours ago, mc52beast said:

I was waiting for the Kyle Allen Fan Club to show up, you never disappoint me with your constant “Nut Hugger” comments even though you seem to have a mouthful of Allen’s.

 

I was waiting for the Kyle Allen Hate Club to show up.  He is the best QB we have right now, so until that changes he will have to do.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, GoPanthers123 said:

I was waiting for the Kyle Allen Hate Club to show up.  He is the best QB we have right now, so until that changes he will have to do.

It's very possible, but bet's be honest, would it be shocking to anyone to find out that Ron wasn't playing the best player? It's not like we haven't seen that story play out time and time again during the Rivera era when injuries showed that the better player had been riding the pine.

[musicman]

On a side note, I talked with Grier today for a couple of minutes. Nice guy, real chill.