Changing the coaching and GM philosophy

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Not for one year it isn't. As I said, what are you going to do with that money that could make us better as a team than adding Cam Newton? Do you see any reasonable free agent QB's possible for that? Do you see $19.1 mil in upgrades in free agency to overcome our QB situation? 

Is the plan is to burn it all down, you obviously don't keep him but if you aren't planning on going into full rebuild, I am honestly not seeing any OTHER option than rolling with him in 2020. 

Who would we trade for to replace him? Foles? 

You're looking at this the wrong way.

The team would likely be perfectly fine with Newton playing out the last year of his contract with no guarantees. It's Newton's camp that isn't. They want an extension. And as discussed, one that's incentive laden or minimally guaranteed isn't likely to fly.

Forget the one year. Can you really justify offering a big extension to a quarterback who hasn't been healthy in two (really three) years?

[Pimpdaddy]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think it would tank it any more unless it was a substantial injury(Achilles, ACL, etc). He has already had three straight years of injuries. If you are interested as a team in him now, you are going to be interested in him next year.

That's one thing I think people are severely overestimating, as well. Even if his shoulder is 100% healthy, the market for him may still be pretty limited. That is a BIG gamble to take if you lay out a market value contract for a guy that hasn't been able to stay healthy.

...we can't overpay for this product and Tep needs to realize that..this era is over and we need to move on... I'm ready. ready for the growing pains...again.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's Newton's camp that isn't.

I still have yet to see a source that is actually saying Newton's camp isn't.

And by source...someone using a source connected.  Not speculating like any of us.

[top dawg]

9 hours ago, trueblade said:

I would offer the Indianapolis Colts as a case study for the idea that building a solid OL, and getting a smart head coach can allow you to survive, perhaps even thrive, even when your all world quarterback gets hurt (or suddenly retires).

The next question would be, "Do you try & build up the O-line primarily by FA or the draft?" Which one should be given priority? The easy answer is the draft due to economics, but they're is also a great bust potential. 

For me, I have to go out and at least get a priority FA LT.  To me, the position is that important.

[SBiii]

9 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

(i)  I do agree success and failure starts at the top, so a competent, forward thinking GM is crucial...something we have lacked for over a decade now.

(ii)  I do believe 2020 offseason is arguably the most important in franchise history.

(i)  Who was the most recent "forward thinking GM" employed by the Carolina football Panthers?  (regardless of how long ago it was)

(ii)  Prepare yourself for status qou as it goes to senior management ranks.  That said, players are on notice, no more whinging....

[Peon Awesome]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're looking at this the wrong way.

The team would likely be perfectly fine with Newton playing out the last year of his contract with no guarantees. It's Newton's camp that isn't. They want an extension. And as discussed, one that's incentive laden or minimally guaranteed isn't likely to fly.

Forget the one year. Can you really justify offering a big extension to a quarterback who hasn't been healthy in two (really three) years?

But what avenues does Cam have to force an extension? He can hold out, but then the Panthers are under no obligation to give him the contract, in which case he doesn't get paid, and the cap space gets credited back to the team in 2021. He can either play the contract or he can walk away from football if the Panthers aren't going to budge. If the Panthers hold firm, I'd think Cam would rather play for $21 million, count on proving he's healthy, and cash in on a decent extension.

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're looking at this the wrong way.

The team would likely be perfectly fine with Newton playing out the last year of his contract with no guarantees. It's Newton's camp that isn't. They want an extension. And as discussed, one that's incentive laden or minimally guaranteed isn't likely to fly.

Forget the one year. Can you really justify offering a big extension to a quarterback who hasn't been healthy in two (really three) years?

I am not looking at it the wrong way, that's a narrative that we have no idea that is even true yet. This is ALL speculative because despite what the "sources" are saying, none of this has come to pass.

[Snake]

11 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

But what avenues does Cam have to force an extension? He can hold out, but then the Panthers are under no obligation to give him the contract, in which case he doesn't get paid, and the cap space gets credited back to the team in 2021. He can either play the contract or he can walk away from football if the Panthers aren't going to budge. If the Panthers hold firm, I'd think Cam would rather play for $21 million, count on proving he's healthy, and cash in on a decent extension.

He's sat out two years He can sit another and force hurney to trade him. We're talking about Hurney not a actual good GM. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

He's sat out two years He can sit another and force hurney to trade him. We're talking about Hurney not a actual good GM. 

Pretty big assumption it would be Hurney.

[raleigh-panther]

I do not want to see Cam Newton leave this team

if he is mobile, if he still wants to play, and play here, let him. Again, Manning played 3 years after his usefulness and the Broncos won games 

if Newton is mobile and his shoulder  is 80% of what it used to be, he is better than many of the players in that list above.  His price tag is  the lowest .   if he plays well during the year extend him and reward him    If he doesn’t, we know what has to be done but he deserves the opportunity and for the love of god, get a veteran backup 

also, new regime, make getting a damned oline in here a priority   No more excuses  

I’ll say it too  It needs to be said. Rivera and Hurney being gone might be exactly what he needs   fresh eyes. Fresh message   

im well aware that some of the greatest QBs have been let go ..including Manning for Luck but I tell you this, if Newton goes to another team and wins a Super Bowl, people in this town will go ape poo While we plod along with the latest QB that we spent too much to move up and take in the draft 

cam Newton is not just some player.  This is our franchise QB.  A captain and someone who has done more for this community than all the other players combined 

he has earned that chance. 

you think free agents thinking  about coming to Carolina aren’t watching how Cam is handled, think again 

[GoPanthers123]

I would start with an actual DC, who will call the plays and look for mismatches. 

[Panthercougar68]

5 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I do not want to see Cam Newton leave this team

if he is mobile, if he still wants to play, and play here, let him. Again, Manning played 3 years after his usefulness and the Broncos won games 

if Newton is mobile and his shoulder  is 80% of what it used to be, he is better than many of the players in that list above.  His price tag is  the lowest .   if he plays well during the year extend him and reward him    If he doesn’t, we know what has to be done but he deserves the opportunity and for the love of god, get a veteran backup 

also, new regime, make getting a damned oline in here a priority   No more excuses  

I’ll say it too  It needs to be said. Rivera and Hurney being gone might be exactly what he needs   fresh eyes. Fresh message   

im well aware that some of the greatest QBs have been let go ..including Manning for Luck but I tell you this, if Newton goes to another team and wins a Super Bowl, people in this town will go ape poo While we plod along with the latest QB that we spent too much to move up and take in the draft 

cam Newton is not just some player.  This is our franchise QB.  A captain and someone who has done more for this community than all the other players combined 

he has earned that chance. 

you think free agents thinking  about coming to Carolina aren’t watching how Cam is handled, think again 

I want Cam back I really do.

I just have the feeling there is more going on behind the scenes with Cam than we know.

Andrew Luck retiring might have actually planted a seed in Cam’s heads which I don’t blame him for.

[raleigh-panther]

1 minute ago, Panthercougar68 said:

I want Cam back I really do.

I just have the feeling there is more going on behind the scenes with Cam than we know.

Andrew Luck retiring might have actually planted a seed in Cam’s heads which I don’t blame him for.

I’m sure he has other interests and 5 kids but he is still putting in the work to comeback 

when I saw him in late sept, very very thin 

I have no idea how he feels and I know it’s a business...I get that too but sometimes, you have to do the right thing. Tepper needs to do the right thing.

that’s just me. You find,out what cam  can still do well and you do it. Simple as that

[Peon Awesome]

21 minutes ago, Snake said:

He's sat out two years He can sit another and force hurney to trade him. We're talking about Hurney not a actual good GM. 

I'm sure the trade market for a qb with his injury history who at that point wouldn't have played in nearly 3 years is sky high. So again, not sure the Panthers gain much by giving into the threat of a holdout. Cam wants to play too. I think this talk of demanding a new contract or else doesn't fully add up.