How long could you handle...

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

The NFL has shown that you can build a quick winner with relative ease

After 25 years I'd settle for this, I'm not going to live forever.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Richardson was derailed by his ego and nepotism.

He initially assembled a great management team and then handed the keys to the kingdom over to his sons.

Yeah, I remember that. Pretty much nobody that worked with Mark seems to have a high opinion of him.

Part of Richardson's ego problem was that he promoted people who were loyal to him as opposed to people who were actually good at their jobs. We wound up with a lot of people doing jobs they weren't really qualified for.

The Top Cat COO was probably the last great example of that.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That thought has crossed my mind. And I think Newsome and Tepper are actually acquainted. I know he's friends with Colbert and trusts him.

Newsome probably doesn't want to be a GM again, but there is always that "consultant" role.

Even if Colbert is brought in, I would love for Ozzie to be around a bit to help get things turned in the right direction.  I don't think for a second that those two could co-exist, but I'm ALL IN on bringing in good football guys to help Tepper.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Even if Colbert is brought in, I would love for Ozzie to be around a bit to help get things turned in the right direction.  I don't think for a second that those two could co-exist, but I'm ALL IN on bringing in good football guys to help Tepper.

Eeehhh, I don't know. Lord knows they've faced off against each other's teams often enough that I'd have to imagine there's at least some level of mutual respect there.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

After 25 years I'd settle for this, I'm not going to live forever.

Ha, I somewhat understand that thought pattern.  Would I take 5 losing seasons in a row for a Super Bowl win?

I'm not so sure.

That said, I've always subscribed to the thought that you need to get to the dance as many times as possible, as often as possible.  Football is such an odd sport with weather, injuries, fluke plays, 1 and done formats, etc....that I think if you just consistently make the playoffs, you will happen to get a break and make a run.

It's why I have been so frustrated with this teams inconsistency.  We have a 12-4 season, look like world beaters...then Jake's infamous game.  15-1, best team in the NFL by far, and run into a buzz saw, and lazy coaching caught up to us.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Eeehhh, I don't know. Lord knows they've faced off against each other's teams often enough that I'd have to imagine there's at least some level of mutual respect there.

Maybe they are both smart enough for ego not to play a role?  Would certainly be nice to have them both in the building.

[45catfan]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Didn't really take the Rams all that long either. Ditto the Broncos when Elway took charge (with John Fox added later, ironically enough).

The downside of each of those examples though, Panthers included, is that it wasn't sustained.

The NFL has shown that you can build a quick winner with relative ease, but building a perennial contender is another story.

Yep, until teams get enough tape on the new coaching staff's tendencies. Perfect example, the 2018 Rams and the 2019 Rams.

[Eazy-E]

He hasn't done anything with the product on the field to earn my faith to begin with. Him not firing Ron in the off-season didn’t help and if he lets Cam walk... ooo wee mayne.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Maybe they are both smart enough for ego not to play a role?  Would certainly be nice to have them both in the building.

There's been some evidence (circumstantial, mind you) that Mike Tomlin has gained a lot of power in the last few years and is essentially in charge up there now. Some of it seems to stem from the minority owners attempt to oust him and the Rooney family taking his side.

Have to admit, that would make a lot of sense of Colbert's decision not to sign an extension.

[Sgt Schultz]

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Cutting Cam and retaining Rivera and Hurney to oversee a complete rebuild would probably make me throw in the towel as a Panthers fan. 

This would be the worst possible outcome, in my mind.  I can handle them parting ways with Cam at the end of the year, but not if Moe and Larry are still around.  If Cam goes, it has to be a clean sweep of the "old guard."  If we are going to do a major rebuild that takes a few seasons, I can understand trading him for whatever we can get just to not expose him to the rebuilding.

I grew up in St. Louis watching what is now the Arizona Cardinals, so I can handle losing.  I even had season tickets for 4 or 5 years.  I can handle losing more if I see the logic what we are doing to get better (building the OL and DLs, for example). 

One assumption I am carrying is this does not need to be a complete rebuild.  We are not the team that stayed the course two or three years too long, fooling themselves into thinking they were one player away while only getting older the entire time.  Those teams also usually wind up looking at dead cap space when reality hits them between the eyes.  While I agree with somebody (probably KungFuDude) who said in another thread that this team is built to win now, we didn't sell the future to do that.  We do have some young players with potential so the bottom may not be ground zero.  At least, I think we have that option.

Back in the dark ages, every new coach had a five year plan.  Then it became a three year plan, which is achievable.  Free agency allows some time to be shaved off those plans, provided a team is not stupid.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Eazy-E said:

He hasn't done anything with the product on the field to earn my faith to begin with. Him not firing Ron in the off-season did help and if he lets Cam walk... ooo wee mayne.

Word it is that he spent last year reorganizing the business side of the team and that he hasn't really put an effort toward the football side yet, but he's going to this offseason.

The fact that he's been pulling back from his hedge fund commitments does kind of lend some credibility to that.

[Carolina Cajun]

If a long slog rebuild is the plan, that's a bad plan.  The browns, bucs, dolphins, and jets draft in the top 10 every year, it doesnt help because every 4 or 5 years you gotta pay the one or 2 good players from that draft to stay and by that point your already in another cycle of rebuild.  The key is to identify a few pieces to build around and develop quick then maintain through good draft strategies like only picking players that fit the system not reaching for players you think might be good but have no position or are raw (shaq, samuel, and vernon butler come to mind).

[45catfan]

Just for reference, the Cowboys, Bears and Packers have roughly a 57% winning margin in their franchise's history.  Those are the top 3 teams.  The NFL wants parity, period.   That's the reason I'm not a huge fan of college ball.  The deck is stacked.  You either have name programs that sucks up all the blue-chip recruits or a program struggling with all the leftovers.  Parity is not college ball.  With parlay cards the fools picks are the pro games, the easier money is on college ball.  Why?  Most match ups are easy...just getting the spread is the tough part.

[Ivan The Awesome]

As long as he gets it right, well take your time. IF that's that case that means that Cam won't be in the conversation for that tenure of losing. You're essentially rebooting everything. Look at the players you have, build around the key ones. Cam's 30. I know that's now old but look at the toll this regime has taken on him. Durability is an issue now and also you have to take into consideration that Tepper might now what Cam here and want his own guy. As weird as that may sound to some of you. I've been along for the ride since 96. I don't think i'll be hopping off any time soon. Unless I die sometime in the near future. What is true, is that this regime has worn out already. It's time for a change, and I welcome years of failure since I'm already accustomed to years of mediocrity masked with a few good years anyway. Just get it right Tepper.