Any votes for continuity?

[PootieNunu]

3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

You’re talking about a guy who paid $43 mill for the house of an old boss (who passed him over for promotion), just to tear it down and build something 2x bigger on the same lot. All accounts say he did it to show his old boss who the real winner was.

He’s got 12 Billion. What He doesn’t have Is a ring. 

Oh yeah he really won in that deal, that further shows he is an idiot. Let me pay 43 million for a house, pay even more to demolish it, and then pay again to build a new house, but poverty still exists. 

Meanwhile his old boss pocketed 43 million and laughed at him all the way to the bank.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Could live with hurney but not with Rivera 

[Tbe]

Just now, PootieNunu said:

Oh yeah he really won in that deal, that further shows he is an idiot. Let me pay 43 million for a house, pay even more to demolish it, and then pay again to build a new house, meanwhile poverty still exists. 

Let me put something in perspective for you. 

Tepper is worth about 12 Billion. 43 mill is only 0.035% of 12 billion. That’s like someone with 100k in the bank spending 430 dollars. It’s nothing. 

The point I’m making is no amount of money he could make from the panthers will make much of a dent in his net worth or lifestyle. He doesn’t want any more money. He wants a legacy. He’s trying to get that from charity and multiple nfl championships.

 

 

[PootieNunu]

3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Let me put something in perspective for you. 

Tepper is worth about 12 Billion. 43 mill is only 0.035% of 12 billion. That’s like someone with 100k in the bank spending 430 dollars. It’s nothing. 

The point I’m making is no amount of money he could make from the panthers will make much of a dent in his net worth or lifestyle. He doesn’t want any more money. He wants a legacy. He’s trying to get that from charity and multiple nfl championships.

 

 

If its nothing he could have gave that 43 million to charity instead of trying to show up someone. He could have built countless houses for the homeless. Instead he spent it on something pointless to prove a point. If he begins to do anything with the team other than blow smoke up everyone's ass then maybe I will have more faith in him. 

Right now he seems like JR 2.0.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

If its nothing he could have gave that 43 million to charity instead of trying to show up someone. He could have built countless houses for the homeless. Instead he spent it on something pointless to prove a point. If he begins to do anything with the team other than blow smoke up everyone's ass then maybe I will have more faith in him. 

Right now he seems like JR 2.0.

The point of the story though is that he really, really, REALLY hates to lose...at anything.

(and I'd say it's a valid one)

[NanuqoftheNorth]

29 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I’m OK with doing worse. Not saying I want to lose more, but I’m willing to take a risk for a change. We have 0, I mean 0 shot at a SB win if we continue with the same leadership. I want some hope for a change.

This.  Nothing wagered, nothing gained.

Mediocrity shouldn't be the Panthers default position.

[Tbe]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The point of the story though is that he really, really, REALLY hates to lose...at anything.

(and I'd say it's a valid one)

Yes, and he’d rather win than have more money at this point (which was PootieNunu’s original assertion).

[kungfoodude]

The only scenario I would ever vote for that is in a running the remaining regular season and then a deep playoff run. 

I think we can all imagine how unlikely that is. 

So, hard no.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

Yes, and he’d rather win than have more money at this point (which was PootieNunu’s original assertion).

I would have to guess that an individual like Tepper, who has done nothing but win at making money for decades, might be seeking out a new way to challenge himself by purchasing a mediocre sports team and remake it in his own image.

Now, that hasn't happened so far, but I'd like to think we are about to see him shake things up in the coming months.

[BerryLoMein]

The only case I can make for continuity would be look at how long it took Cowher to win a Superbowl. Then again, even thought it was not that long ago, the league has changed greatly.

[Sgt Schultz]

To answer "Scotty's" original question, not from me.

I can see a scenario where Hurney gets the axe but Rivera stays.  It is not based on merit, but timing and the assumption Tepper wants the new GM to drive hiring a coach.  I don't think that is the best of all worlds, but I can see it and grasp why.

I can't see the opposite scenario, unless Hurney has 8x10 glossies on Tepper.  That doesn't absolve Rivera of anything, but in order to fire the coach and hang onto the GM, you'd have to be convinced the GM is the answer going forward.  He has not been thus far.  It also asserts you want HIM to hire the new HC.  I'm not seeing it.

There is always a case to be made for stability, but in this case it is stability at mediocrity.  The question for Tepper is whether stability resulting in a Super Bowl visit every 15 years or so, with most seasons having a realistic ceiling of a borderline playoff time is good enough. 

[WarPanthers89]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. Hurney is a sub-.500 GM over the course of 10+ NFL seasons. That's all the evidence needed to show he's a subpar GM.

Ron has only won 55% of his games and that's even with the benefit of a 15-1 season. He's exactly what Tepper claims to despise - mediocre.

And Rons record is with one of the greatest linebackers /game changing QB  in the game to build around. It’s pathetic that we couldn’t capitalize or have back to back winning seasons with prime Cam and Luke. 

[WarPanthers89]

1 hour ago, PootieNunu said:

If its nothing he could have gave that 43 million to charity instead of trying to show up someone. He could have built countless houses for the homeless. Instead he spent it on something pointless to prove a point. If he begins to do anything with the team other than blow smoke up everyone's ass then maybe I will have more faith in him. 

Right now he seems like JR 2.0.

Eh so what. If you have 130k in the bank and spent 430 bucks (that’s the equivalent of his net worth to the 43 million he spent) to piss off your old boss would you care if someone said you could give that $430 to a homeless man? Sure he could make a big difference with that money (he has already done so much good for NC with donations) but He paid taxes, so really he could burn the money or blow it on cocaine and strippers if he wants. I don’t give a damn about what anyone spends money on that you earned, people just complain about it when you are successful. He earned it so he can do what he wants. As far as the team goes, The first year he literally had no time to make changes and everything for the season was already set in stone and both coach and GM had brand new 3 year contracts. After last season he gave them another year to prove themselves being that we started 6-2  before our franchise QB got hurt. After this year he will be making a change and we will see a totally different team and staff next year. The only thing Tepper has in common with JR is that he’s rich.

[Mr. Scot]

44 minutes ago, BerryLoMein said:

The only case I can make for continuity would be look at how long it took Cowher to win a Superbowl. Then again, even thought it was not that long ago, the league has changed greatly.

Cowher pretty much always produced winning seasons and playoff appearances though.