Lose today and Ron should 100% be canned

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Seifert was a defensive coach too. He just happened to pick up a decent OC.

Yeah, but coming form the 49ers he was going to bring the WCO to Carolina and open up our offense which, to that point, had been horrible.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Yeah, but coming form the 49ers he was going to bring the WCO to Carolina and open up our offense which, to that point, had been horrible.  

He originally brought Bill Musgrave as his OC and then for some weird reason Musgrave quit and the job went to Gil Haskell instead.

If I recall correctly though, Haskell only lasted a year before taking a job with Mike Holmgren in Seattle.

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

It was more than that, everybody hated Seifert for his attitude and his approach. He chose to cut Beuerlein for Weinke. That offensive coach you speak of got us to 31st in offense and probably like 60th in defense, it was so bad. Offensive coaches can be great but when defense wins championships, airing it out in 50-47 losses doesn’t do much for me. 

A loss is a loss, but at least 50-47 is a much more entertaining game than say 28-3. If you can't consistently put up 21 points a game, you have litlle shot of winning unless you have a top 5 defense and we haven't had one of those as of late. I'm over 3-yards and cloud of dust; let the defense  win the game coaching mentality.

[Daddy_Uncle]

1 hour ago, jtm said:

What does firing Ron today if the Panthers lose accomplish? Coaching isn’t the only issue...we have lots of players not performing up to their contracts. 

That falls on coaching and leadership. It shows that we seriously lack both

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He originally brought Bill Musgrave as his OC and then for some weird reason Musgrave quit and the job went to Gil Haskell instead.

If I recall correctly though, Haskell only lasted a year before taking a job with Mike Holmgren in Seattle.

Look, I'm not trying to say anything wonderful about Seifert, just pointing out he was to the closest thing to an offensive focused head coach in team history.  You are correct, he was a DC for the 49ers before becoming the HC, but to my point he was brought in to fix our inept offense.  

So to your point based on Seifert's historical background as a coordinator, we've never had a pure offensive mind as a HC in team history.  Twenty-five years of leaning on the defense has not gotten more than mediocrity.

[rhyslloyd]

Bring it on. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Look, I'm not trying to say anything wonderful about Seifert, just pointing out he was to the closest thing to an offensive focused head coach in team history.  You are correct, he was a DC for the 49ers before becoming the HC, but to my point he was brought in to fix our inept offense.  

So to your point based on Seifert's historical background as a coordinator, we've never had a pure offensive mind as a HC in team history.  Twenty-five years of leaning on the defense has not gotten more than mediocrity.

Didn't say you were. Just remembering how it happened. It was all kind of strange back then and word filtered out afterward that Seifert was a colossal a--hole.

Tepper is said to want an offensive coach.

[Davidson Deac II]

Firing a coach midseason rarely if ever brings on positive change.  At least not a greater degree than waiting until the last game to fire them.  

[raz]

26 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

It was more than that, everybody hated Seifert for his attitude and his approach. He chose to cut Beuerlein for Weinke. That offensive coach you speak of got us to 31st in offense and probably like 60th in defense, it was so bad. Offensive coaches can be great but when defense wins championships, airing it out in 50-47 losses doesn’t do much for me. 

if i'm remembering correctly, and i hate to remind you of this, he let go of beurlein for jeff lewis.   that jeff lewis.  i was at the preseason game where he made his glorious debut.

[Jeremy Igo]

3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Firing a coach midseason rarely if ever brings on positive change.  At least not a greater degree than waiting until the last game to fire them.  

Yeah, well, what about it making me happy if not for a day?

[hepcat]

I thought we said this same thing about the Atlanta game 

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, raz said:

if i'm remembering correctly, and i hate to remind you of this, he let go of beurlein for jeff lewis.   that jeff lewis.  i was at the preseason game where he made his glorious debut.

Ah yes, Jeff Lewis was Seifert's prospective boy-wonder and that blew up in his face which lead to us drafting Weinke.  We've had so many colossal failures, it's hard to keep up with them all.  Sad....

Edit:  But wasn't it Musgrave that brought Lewis in with him and was touting him as the best thing since sliced bread and then (as Mr. Scot said) Musgrave suddenly quit? It almost seems like a set up job in hind sight!   I guess Seifert did have a lot of enemies...

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Yeah, well, what about it making me happy if not for a day?

I'd say this past offseason showed where that sort of thing falls in the priority list.

[Carl Spackler]

12 minutes ago, raz said:

if i'm remembering correctly, and i hate to remind you of this, he let go of beurlein for jeff lewis.   that jeff lewis.  i was at the preseason game where he made his glorious debut.

RIP Jeff Lewis. And our season for that matter