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[Toomers]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

And Norwell hasn't been good for Jacksonville.. Does that make him a bad player or pick?? 

No.. He just might not fit that system scheme or environment... But he was a all pro here... 

AGAIN.. Talent evaluation and acquisition is the GM's job.. Developing the Talent and working it into a system is Coaching.. IF a player proves to be a talent in a different system or carry on to have a long career after leaving here.. The GM did his job he picked a player good enough to be in the league.. The coach didn't find away to implement that talent.. If a player falls out of the league and proves he can't make it then that is the GM'S fault..

  No. What it says is you got an All-Pro caliber player as an UDFA, with 3+ years of tremendous value. And a 3rd round pick.(Will Grier)

  Why would it matter what he did after? Nothing. His play HERE made him the highest paid G in the NFL. Not reaching for some random year in his 30.

[panthers55]

42 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  What is this massive scheme change? The half-assed attempt at a hybrid.3/4. That changes very little as far as secondary responsibilities. He bombed either way, in any scheme. As was predicted the minute he was overdrafted. 
 

    Is there such a thing as a bad pick? Ever? Because if players like Gaulden and Hall are not busts, there aren’t any. You used a top 100 pick on guys who could make it thru 2 seasons. Is Daryl Worley a good pick now. Hey he started, and is playing better than ever for another team. I missed where we got anything but the right to overpay Torrey Smith for it. It’s still a bad pick And always will be. 
 

      

Actually the change was both positional and scheme. Instead of a cover 2, cover 3 scheme we used when he was drafted we went to more cover 1 with man on the outside and nickel this year under Fewell.

To me any first round or second round who doesn't play is the result of  a poor choice of an expected starter. A third or fourth rounder who never develops is a missed opportunity and wasted pick. Any late rounder or UDFA who turns out well is an unexpected bonus and great pick. I guess we just have different definitions.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Oh you know it's gonna happen the minute he signs anybody in free agency.

I don't know how or why it happens, I've even bought the hype a few times since he's been back.  It's bizarre how he'll put together a roster that looks fuging loaded on paper and then it gets on a football field and is just like *fart sound*

We will get to see if it is Hurney or Rivera. If the new coach gets a lot more out of this same group next year, minus the usual player turnover, then you would suspect it is coaching. If it is more of the same then you can blame the coaching and the talent. But yeah this defense in particular has so underperformed the expectations it has been extremely disappointing. What I said then about having undersized linebackers who can't shed linemen blocks has been unfortunately too prophetic.

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually the change was both positional and scheme. Instead of a cover 2, cover 3 scheme we used when he was drafted we went to more cover 1 with man on the outside and nickel this year under Fewell.

To me any first round or second round who doesn't play is the result of  a poor choice of an expected starter. A third or fourth rounder who never develops is a missed opportunity and wasted pick. Any late rounder or UDFA who turns out well is an unexpected bonus and great pick. I guess we just have different definitions.

 The coverages were a combination just like most teams. He was handed FS and was lost then back to nickel, and he only played 18 snaps. He has failed at all of them. 
 

   I actually agree with the 2nd paragraph. Just our different wording is all it is. 
 

    But he’s gone and his value to us is done. It’s about results. Not hopeful scenarios that blames everybody but the GM who made the pick. 
 

   

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 The coverages were a combination just like most teams. He was handed FS and was lost then back to nickel, and he only played 18 snaps. He has failed at all of them. 
 

   I actually agree with the 2nd paragraph. Just our different wording is all it is. 
 

    But he’s gone and his value to us is done. It’s about results. Not hopeful scenarios that blames everybody but the GM who made the pick. 
 

   

But he wasn't drafted as a free safety. He was drafted as a strong safety and when he couldn't start there as a rookie we got Reid and suddenly he was relegated to backup or to try a different position. And he never had the speed to play nickel or single high. And there is a huge difference in cover 1, 2 and 3 in terms of the amount of distance you cover and the speed you need to play the position.

I always wondered if Gaulden was Hurney's pick or one of the coaches. Hurney goes for the fast athletic guy who can play multiple positions and Gaulden was never described as fast or particularly athletic. I remember thinking it was a unusual  pick at the time.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

But he wasn't drafted as a free safety. He was drafted as a strong safety and when he couldn't start there as a rookie we got Reid and suddenly he was relegated to backup or to try a different position. And he never had the speed to play nickel or single high. And there is a huge difference in cover 1, 2 and 3 in terms of the amount of distance you cover and the speed you need to play the position.

I always wondered if Gaulden was Hurney's pick or one of the coaches. Hurney goes for the fast athletic guy who can play multiple positions and Gaulden was never described as fast or particularly athletic. I remember thinking it was a unusual  pick at the time.

   He not only couldn’t start, his total inability to play anywhere on a football field, meant Colon Jones did. Had to sign Reid. Who should have been signed before the season. He played 17 snaps and that was it for this whole year but one snap. And if it wasn’t his ability, why cut him? Where in all this “wasted” pick is someone who did something wrong? 
 

   And as Igo has stated many times over...Gaulden was 100% on Hurney who ignored the scouts and took him anyhow. 
 

 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

   He not only couldn’t start, his total inability to play anywhere on a football field, meant Colon Jones did. Had to sign Reid. Who should have been signed before the season. He played 17 snaps and that was it for this whole year but one snap. And if it wasn’t his ability, why cut him? Where in all this “wasted” pick is someone who did something wrong? 
 

   And as Igo has stated many times over...Gaulden was 100% on Hurney who ignored the scouts and took him anyhow. 
 

 

Sure sounds uncharacteristic of him to ignore speed and athleticism for instincts and aggressive style. I think Hurney tried to spin it as great but he has to do that with any pick. Like do you think that Grier was Hurney's pick or heavily influenced by Norv and Scott Turner in particular. The GM is more of the operator of the draft than the guy who always gets his choice. His job is getting everyone on the same page and finding impact guys and at least contributors. 

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5 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Oh you know it's gonna happen the minute he signs anybody in free agency.

I don't know how or why it happens, I've even bought the hype a few times since he's been back.  It's bizarre how he'll put together a roster that looks fuging loaded on paper and then it gets on a football field and is just like *fart sound*

yea just for finding a good player in the first round. i’ve never seen a GM get so much praise for being good at one aspect of the job and sucking at basically everything else. it’s like when you’re in arts and crafts in the 4th grade and the whole classroom throws applause at the special kid for being able to make a hand turkey.

[Snake]

Marty Hurney does one thing well. Draft project players that ultimately don't pan out. You don't get much worse than him. 

[GoPanthers123]

2018 was two years ago, maybe it’s time to grade that draft with hindsight. What’s your draft grade?  

[ImaginaryKev]

The Saints hitting so many home runs in the draft, particularly on the O line and even when they take chances and trade future picks, adds insult to it

[Happy Panther]

9 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

2018 was two years ago

wut?

[45catfan]

On 12/13/2019 at 8:42 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

 

Yup, and I've been barking up the draft a TE in the first three rounds the past several drafts.  Andrews, wasn't my top pick, but considering he would be much better than Gaulden, I would have taken him in the 3rd round.  Now Greg can't finish a season healthy, may decide to play one more season, if not retire after this cluster-fugged season and all we have is Ian Thomas.  Well, Manhertz if you want an honorable mention.  That's drafting for sustained success!

[GoPanthers123]

2 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

wut?

It will be 2020 in a couple of weeks.