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A Solution to the QB Dilemma


45catfan

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First I would like to say this A solution and not THE solution.  I posted this in elsewhere in another thread that quickly got pushed to page 2 and is buried now, so I figured it needed it's own thread.

We all know the Bengals have the first pick in the draft.  Unless Joe Burrow looks horrible in the National Championship game or has bad workouts/interviews, he's too good of a prospect for the Bengals to pass up or even entertain the thoughts of trading the pick.  That leaves the Bengals with the Andy Dalton dilemma.

Just like Cam, Dalton is in pickle with one year remaining on his contract and a very uncertain future.  I would suggest we trade a 3rd rounder to a Bengals team that desperately needs to stockpile picks and us give Dalton a look.  Here's why:

Assuming that scenario happens, We have  Cam, Dalton, Allen and Grier in camp.  No need to draft a QB this year (hate to burst your bubble guys, but Tua's gone before we pick and I personally don't think there's another NFL ready QB in this draft.

Cam and Andy duel it out for the starter's role an the loser is a backup for a year before hitting FA.  The winner gets a 3 or 4 year deal, we draft a QB in round 1 in the 2021 draft, Allen is the #3 and finally Grier gets a chance to show he's improved in camp before cutting bait (gives him a least a redemption chance).  Lastly if the starter gets hurt, we have another starting caliber QB as the backup.

Win, win, win, win  and win.

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Doesn't make any sense financially to make this move. Andy Dalton is owed $17.7 mil next season and the Bengals can cut him and get $0 in dead cap. Not to mention bringing back Cam and adding $17.7 mil in Andy Dalton would be more than half our available cap next season, which would mean almost all our free agents are not going to be able to be signed. 

I am not against bringing in Dalton as a backup, however it would be more prudent to simply wait until they cut him and attempt to bring him in on a much cheaper deal. But, paying a journeyman level QB $17.7 mil?? Hard pass.

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2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Sure, let's add the most average QB in NFL history to a team where the owner said he's sick of mediocrity. Not only that, let's give up draft capital to get him! Brilliant. 

Three things, If he beats out Cam then how average is he?  Secondly, if he loses then an average backup is better than what a lot of seen in Allen.  Lastly, it's a one-year flier.  If it works, great, if not, no big deal.  

It sure beats the situation we had this season.

You have a better solution?

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Just now, 45catfan said:

Three things, If he beats out Cam then how average is he?  Secondly, if he loses then an average backup is better than what a lot of seen in Allen.  Lastly, it's a one-year flier.  If it works, great, if not, no big deal.  

It sure beats the situation we had this season.

You have a better solution?

There is no world in which a healthy Cam gets beaten out by Andy Dalton. I am actually much higher on Dalton than the average NFL fan but he is not even in the same zip code as Cam Newton. 

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

Doesn't make any sense financially to make this move. Andy Dalton is owed $17.7 mil next season and the Bengals can cut him and get $0 in dead cap. Not to mention bringing back Cam and adding $17.7 mil in Andy Dalton would be more than half our available cap next season, which would mean almost all our free agents are not going to be able to be signed. 

I am not against bringing in Dalton as a backup, however it would be more prudent to simply wait until they cut him and attempt to bring him in on a much cheaper deal. But, paying a journeyman level QB $17.7 mil?? Hard pass.

If they cut him.  I should have stipulated as high as a 3rd round, any more is too rich.  I obviously would take, say,  a 5th for him...absolutely.  If they cut him, the that would be obviously icing on the cake.   The Bengals will not cut him without entertaining offers first.  We just have to really low-ball the offer.

Secondly, I don't think Dalton is jut going to roll over for a backup role.  He's going to want to go to a team where he at least has a chance to compete for the starter's role.  He would have that here.

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Dalton is even older than Cam and has a 17.7 million dollar cap hit next year.

What exactly is the argument for not keeping our younger MVP quarterback another year if this is the kind of option we are facing? I'd rather just take my chances in the draft.

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Cam will be the starter, there is no dilemma.  For everything Cam has given to this fanbase, community, and organization he deserves a chance to prove that he can still play at a high level if healthy.  If he can do that he will earn an extension with the Panthers.

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