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Eric The enemy (Bieniemy)


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Just now, PantherCam213 said:

Harbaugh came close to winning too, but ultimately failed.  What makes him better than Rivera?  My main knock on Harbaugh is that he apparently can't be tolerated for long and Tepper wants sustained success.  

Don't know much about Stefanski.  I'll give him a look.

The difference between Harbaugh winning a Superbowl was a referee not calling a blatant pass interference on the last play of the game when Colin Kaepernick (yes, Harbaugh was on the edge of a SB win with Colin Kaepernick as his starting QB) drove the 49ers to the 3 yard line.

Is he any less of a coach because they didn't call pass interference?   A lot of credit has to go to Greg Roman, but also Harbaugh for picking him as OC all the way back to Stanford.

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3 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

The difference between Harbaugh winning a Superbowl was a referee not calling a blatant pass interference on the last play of the game when Colin Kaepernick (yes, Harbaugh was on the edge of a SB win with Colin Kaepernick as his starting QB) drove the 49ers to the 3 yard line.

Is he any less of a coach because they didn't call pass interference?   A lot of credit has to go to Greg Roman, but also Harbaugh for picking him as OC all the way back to Stanford.

And Jerricho Cotchery caught the ball.

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Harbaugh won a Super Bowl as far as I'm concerned.  Won 70% of his games in the NFL with a QB who got benched for Blaine Gabbert after he departed (and Alex Smith).

His brother is about to win another one.  Not sure where the perception comes from that he's not highly intelligent.  Greg Roman has a job in the NFL because Harbaugh hired him at Stanford when he was an unknown high school coach.

 

refresh yourself on this blown call

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtyOxhNzvpA

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53 minutes ago, PantherCam213 said:

And Jerricho Cotchery caught the ball.

Yeah but you can't guarantee the Panthers win if that call gets reversed.  Big difference between the two situations.  I still think we lose a close game if that call gets reversed.

And even if Rivera had won SB50, it would have been because of Cam Newton (who was in 2015, the best player in the NFL).  Winning a ring with Kaepernick is quite a different story.  Harbaugh also went to three straight conference championships.

 

Imagine a hypothetical coach existed, that you didn't know the name of or have any biases towards;  but you knew this

#1 - Had the best winning percentage of any coach in modern NFL history (going back 40-50 years to the 'modern era')

#2 - Coached for 4 years, made it to the conference championship in 3 of those 4 years

#3 - Did all of this above with a wildly inaccurate, one read quarterback, who can't even get a job as a backup

#4 - Insanely, pathologically competitive and willing to do whatever it takes to win, even if its unethical (ala Belichick)

#5 - Respected and feared by his players everywhere he has gone;  former players describe this coach as an elite motivator

#6 - Defensive coordinator during his run, often given credit, has been mediocre everywhere he's been outside of SF (including his 4 years in Carolina);  OC owes his career to said coach

Imagine not thinking this was far and away the best coaching prospect;  Imagine thinking a glorified running backs coach who laminates Andy Reid's playbook was more desirable

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Great sentence and so true.  With limited access to the truth (as is the case in politics and NFL coaching staffs) we have little evidence to evaluate competence beyond performance.  Since the other coaches performed and were fired, we are left with a choice between someone who has experience and was fired for that experience or someone who has no experience but was never fired.  All we have is our "hindbrain" because we must make decisions through a cloud of self-promotion and propaganda distorting truth. So (to your point) we are left to look for subtle symptoms of competence, and confidence is one of them.

lol you do this for a living don't you

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Does anyone truly think that if we poached Bien, the Chiefs offense would deeply regress next year due to his loss?   Say Reid promoted Mike Kafka to OC, do you think Mahomes would suddenly struggle?  Deep down inside, you know they wouldn't miss a beat, despite the puff pieces that are trying to convince you he's qualified because he laminates Andy Reid's notes on the weekends (he 'prepares' the game plan, ie, laminates).

nobody thinks that

it's just that some systems of excellence really do have a tendency to self-replicate through their progeny, because they're based on openness and transmission of values and ideas. it's completely reasonable to believe that an andy reid disciple could work the andy reid magic - because andy reid teaches the magic

other systems don't work that way, because they're based on closed doors and secrecy and weird gnostic sh*t. like, edelman said he's had less than a dozen conversations with belichick in his life. and belichick has multiple mysterious "right hand man" types floating around him, and no one knows exactly what the f*ck they do. bill's a better coach than andy, but a worse teacher of coaches.

just as it's totally reasonable to distrust the products of belichick's posioned tree, it's reasonable to give some benefit of the doubt to reid's protégés, especially when the tree has already been known by its fruit

i'm not saying you have to hand the team over to the last valet who parked reid's car, but maybe take reid seriously when he says "this guy's amazing, f*cking hire him"

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i actually don't really disagree with any points that guy made in the thread...that was just a convoluted way of saying that being a cog in reid's system shouldn't be held against bieniemy. the system wouldn't collapse if he left, but i bet it also wouldn't collapse if he was given full play-calling duties

random aside: you know who bieniemy really reminds me of?

david tepper

that's how you really know he's gonna get this job

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1 hour ago, bobowilson said:

Yeah but you can't guarantee the Panthers win if that call gets reversed.  Big difference between the two situations.  I still think we lose a close game if that call gets reversed.

And even if Rivera had won SB50, it would have been because of Cam Newton (who was in 2015, the best player in the NFL).  Winning a ring with Kaepernick is quite a different story.  Harbaugh also went to three straight conference championships.

 

Imagine a hypothetical coach existed, that you didn't know the name of or have any biases towards;  but you knew this

#1 - Had the best winning percentage of any coach in modern NFL history (going back 40-50 years to the 'modern era')

#2 - Coached for 4 years, made it to the conference championship in 3 of those 4 years

#3 - Did all of this above with a wildly inaccurate, one read quarterback, who can't even get a job as a backup

#4 - Insanely, pathologically competitive and willing to do whatever it takes to win, even if its unethical (ala Belichick)

#5 - Respected and feared by his players everywhere he has gone;  former players describe this coach as an elite motivator

#6 - Defensive coordinator during his run, often given credit, has been mediocre everywhere he's been outside of SF (including his 4 years in Carolina);  OC owes his career to said coach

Imagine not thinking this was far and away the best coaching prospect;  Imagine thinking a glorified running backs coach who laminates Andy Reid's playbook was more desirable

 

 

 

yet nobody wants him....weird. Imagine thinking about that for a second.

 

 

 

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haven't heard anyone bring up harbaugh since his latest shellacking.   if he wouldn't have waited a few days it would be even funnier.   jim 'my soul has been sucked out' harbaugh.  bwahahahahahahahaha bwahahahahhahahaha

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18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Smart move would be for him to hire a few former head coaches as part of his staff to help get him up to speed.

Honestly IMO Rivera getting Del Rio with him in Washington was a huge move. Would love it if we got Bieniemy and he did the same by getting an OC or DC who has experience as a HC too. 

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