FWIW... New head coaching hires versus experienced head coaching hires

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Holmgren and Carroll didn't. Shanahan did but he always liked to say Denver was his first real head coaching job.

Schottenheimer, Parcells and Carroll each had more than two, if I recall correctly.

 

Several had more than two stops, but in many instances that was the 'sweet' spot in their coaching careers.  

[WOW!!]

I like a experienced head coach who already has idea of organizational running and a idea about staff.. If it's a young coach they usually have to hire a retread to help them.. Example 

Ron needed a vet coach on his staff and would have done better his 1st 2 years if he had 1..

[45catfan]

How could I forget about Tony Dungy!  Perfect analogy to McCarthy.  The Bucs canned Tony after a sub-par 9-7 season and he went to Indy, turned their franchise around and won a ring.

FYI, McCarthy is already 30th in wins all-time after just 13 season as HC.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

How could I forget about Tony Dungy!  Perfect analogy to McCarthy.  The Bucs canned Tony after a sub-par 9-7 season and he went to Indy, turned their franchise around and won a ring.

FYI, McCarthy is already 30th in wins all-time after just 13 season as HC.

Lotta people say the Bucs owe Dungy a Super Bowl ring.

[Moo Daeng]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Holmgren and Carroll didn't. Shanahan did but he always liked to say Denver was his first real head coaching job.

Schottenheimer, Parcells and Carroll each had more than two, if I recall correctly.

 

Several means several

[Wes21]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Holmgren and Carroll didn't. Shanahan did but he always liked to say Denver was his first real head coaching job.

Schottenheimer, Parcells and Carroll each had more than two, if I recall correctly.

 

What's interesting is if you split Bill Parcells career up into 2 parts.  One part with Bill Belichick on his staff, and one part without.  Its roughly 12 seasons vs 7, and the difference is pretty notable.  In the 7 seasons without Belichick, Parcells never even won a playoff game.

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, Wes21 said:

What's interesting is if you split Bill Parcells career up into 2 parts.  One part with Bill Belichick on his staff, and one part without.  Its roughly 12 seasons vs 7, and the difference is pretty notable.  In the 7 seasons without Belichick, Parcells never even won a playoff game.

That is interesting.

[CRA]

12 hours ago, 45catfan said:

How could I forget about Tony Dungy!  Perfect analogy to McCarthy.  The Bucs canned Tony after a sub-par 9-7 season and he went to Indy, turned their franchise around and won a ring.

FYI, McCarthy is already 30th in wins all-time after just 13 season as HC.

Peyton was significantly more important than Dungy in terms of Indy's rise.   

[1of10Charnatives]

13 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I learned a very valuable lesson in graduate school about no getting a large enough sample size to prove a hypothesis.  Even if the conclusion ends up being correct, it's statistically irrelevant.

IIRC don’t you generally need a sample size closer to 32 for most things?

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

IIRC don’t you generally need a sample size closer to 32 for most things?

42.

It's at the center of life, the universe and everything.

[CRA]

8 hours ago, Wes21 said:

What's interesting is if you split Bill Parcells career up into 2 parts.  One part with Bill Belichick on his staff, and one part without.  Its roughly 12 seasons vs 7, and the difference is pretty notable.  In the 7 seasons without Belichick, Parcells never even won a playoff game.

Belichick has 1 playoff win in his entire career as a HC or DC (pushing 30 years)...…where he didn't have either the luxury of the greatest offensive player or defensive player in the history of the sport. 

I'm not arguing Bill ain't a great HC or defensive guy. 

But in a talent driven sport Bill has also been comically fortunate in his career.

 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

42.

It's at the center of life, the universe and everything.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[stirs]

57 minutes ago, CRA said:

Belichick has 1 playoff win in his entire career as a HC or DC (pushing 30 years)...…where he didn't have either the luxury of the greatest offensive player or defensive player in the history of the sport. 

I'm not arguing Bill ain't a great HC or defensive guy. 

But in a talent driven sport Bill has also been comically fortunate in his career.

 

How many Super Bowl teams have mediocre rosters?