The case for drafting a DT (Brown) at #7

[MHS831]

11 hours ago, Ship said:

Of all the holes (and there are several big ones) the lack of a stud 3-4 DE who can hold down the run while pass rushing is dire. I think we ca. Find an NT later in the draft. We literally have no one there who is on the roster.

He can play NT as well--a beast, I say.

[MHS831]

6 hours ago, bababoey said:

Brown is the best D-lineman in this draft and there is not really a question (I don't consider Young a D-lineman, he is just an edge player).  If you watched him play at Auburn he can just throw guys out of his way kind of the way Jenkins use to here.  The drop off from him to the next guy is like the drop off from KK to Butler (even though Butler did have a pretty good year this past year).  Brown is a difference maker in a position that we need currently.  There is a couple of guys at OT that are good and the drop off is not nearly as severe.  The kid from Georgia, from Alabama and USC are all considered 1st round guys right now.  This is a question of what you think is more important,  helping the defense or protecting Cam (or our new quarterback).  Of the 2 choices I would pick Brown but who knows how the front office is looking at things now after this past year.

JENKINS. That is the comparison I should have made.  Nice. 

Brown can play the 5, 3, and N.  Love him

[Matt62881]

33 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

He can play NT as well--a beast, I say.

Yea 0,1,3, and 5 tech on occasion lol, a true freak of nature only found this high in the draft. He really should go after the QBs (I think he should go before but that's not how the nfl works) but I bet hes there at 7 even tho he shouldn't be.

[Matt62881]

7 hours ago, bababoey said:

Brown is the best D-lineman in this draft and there is not really a question (I don't consider Young a D-lineman, he is just an edge player).  If you watched him play at Auburn he can just throw guys out of his way kind of the way Jenkins use to here.  The drop off from him to the next guy is like the drop off from KK to Butler (even though Butler did have a pretty good year this past year).  Brown is a difference maker in a position that we need currently.  There is a couple of guys at OT that are good and the drop off is not nearly as severe.  The kid from Georgia, from Alabama and USC are all considered 1st round guys right now.  This is a question of what you think is more important,  helping the defense or protecting Cam (or our new quarterback).  Of the 2 choices I would pick Brown but who knows how the front office is looking at things now after this past year.

To me you also have to factor bust rate in, I think he is as likely to bust as nick bosa was last year where as top tackles bust every single year, more then one of them. LTs are the hardest thing to get in the nfl because you have to role the dice to eventually get one. Remember the draft that was so touted and only Lane Johnson turned even into a pro bowl level player.  There was like 5 top 15 LT that year.

[raleigh-panther]

On 1/3/2020 at 9:52 AM, mc52beast said:

We also can’t win when our defense consistently gives up over 100 yards a game on the ground.

You can’t win in today’s nfl with an offensive line that can’t pass block 

your team has  to be able to score in the air when needed 

the Panthers can’t and never have been able to...not for years 

the changes in rules totally favor the offense 

[45catfan]

Is the OP going to do an OL thread?   Just wondering since it's the most obvious need and he seems to be avoiding it.  

[tiger7_88]

On 1/3/2020 at 6:44 PM, Toomers said:

Then I would fire the analytics geek. He got a ton of pressure despite constant double teams and holding.  The tape doesn’t lie. 

Yep.  I've seen Brown repeatedly collapse a pocket while pushing his double-team backwards into the QB's lap.

Did he get many sacks?  No.

Did he make the pocket uncomfortable for the QB?  Yep, pretty consistently (and, again, while being double-teamed about 90% of the time and triple-teamed another 1%).

[Icege]

I think Detroit takes Brown at #3

Javon Kinlaw tho 

[Matt62881]

54 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Yep.  I've seen Brown repeatedly collapse a pocket while pushing his double-team backwards into the QB's lap.

Did he get many sacks?  No.

Did he make the pocket uncomfortable for the QB?  Yep, pretty consistently (and, again, while being double-teamed about 90% of the time and triple-teamed another 1%).

If he puts up the combine numbers he should, I dont feel there's been a interior guy like him in years. He could be another very special piece to add to Cam, CMC, Luke, and honestly imo Moore.

[Toomers]

58 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Yep.  I've seen Brown repeatedly collapse a pocket while pushing his double-team backwards into the QB's lap.

Did he get many sacks?  No.

Did he make the pocket uncomfortable for the QB?  Yep, pretty consistently (and, again, while being double-teamed about 90% of the time and triple-teamed another 1%).

   I’m having a hard time remembering an INT he wasn’t directly responsible for by hurrying and hitting the QB. 

[GoobyPls]

Hell no, this team hasn’t learned it’s lesson until every QB they have is broken.

 

We already have the most expensive from 7 in the league 

[Matt62881]

38 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Hell no, this team hasn’t learned it’s lesson until every QB they have is broken.

 

We already have the most expensive from 7 in the league 

Yea with one missing piece...and our problems on the oline are interior wich you dont usually draft with a 7th pick. Also missing out on a generational talent at a position of need would be lunacy.

[ncfan]

Detroit will take either him or Brown.

A lot will depend on what they do in FA

 

 

 

But the case for Brown is simple

 

He would be BPA at our pick

Playing a position that one of our 3 biggest needs (we were DEAD LAST in run defense going into the the Saints game)

Plays a Position where we need 3 starters and atleast 2 backups.  And if we cut Poe for Cap, will only have 1 body on the roster at the position.

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Matt62881 said:

Yea with one missing piece...and our problems on the oline are interior wich you dont usually draft with a 7th pick. Also missing out on a generational talent at a position of need would be lunacy.

You don’t draft run stuffers with the 7th pick either

 

Their is no generational talent outside of Young