CBA Update (doesn't sound positive)

[TN05]

Great news. Hopefully we miss a few games so we go 1-13 instead of 1-15

[Mr. Scot]

They've got just over a year to figure it out.

 

[Snake]

I don't see the NFL caving to any of these demands except less contact. The rest just set them up to be sued by other parties. 

[The Huddler]

is the holdout this offseason or next offseason? 

[TheBlue]

46 minutes ago, Snake said:

I don't see the NFL caving to any of these demands except less contact. The rest just set them up to be sued by other parties. 

the players have a decent amount of leverage.  as usual you have zero clue what you are talking about lmao

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 hour ago, The Huddler said:

is the holdout this offseason or next offseason? 

Next

[Panic]

Deadlines make Deals. They will sign a deal at the midnight hour, just like last time.

[Captain Obvious]

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Wouldn't surprise me. The more info that comes out on CTE the worse it looks. I think anyone and everyone always knew that repeated blows to the head weren't a great thing, but I don't think many thought it was going to end up looking as bad as it seems like it's ultimately going to turn out to be.

from the great philosopher Marshawn Lynch:

 

So while y’all in it right now, take care of y’all’s bodies, take care of y’all’s chicken, take care of y’all’s mental.

 

No lies there.

[Wes21]

14 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is one that makes too much sense for both parties for it NOT to happen. Particularly give the promising early indications on cannabis and concussions.

Years ago I remember the President of the NFLPA, Eric Winston, said weed is more complicated than it looks from the outside.  The owners obviously don't want to give away anything for free, so to get movement on weed you have to give back something in return.  So what happens when he goes to the players and asks what they are willing to give up?  He gets crickets.  He said something along the lines of "why would Drew Brees vote to give up something of value to himself, when he doesn't have personal issues with the drug policy?"  Then he pointed out that 90%+ of the players don't have issues with the recreational drug policy.  The ones that get suspended for recreational drugs are outliers.  So how can you convince most of the players to concede something for a few outliers?  Then you talk to the owners, and they aren't willing to concede anything for the outliers without getting something.  So the circle continues.

To me the NFL has a great recreational drug policy that's set up to only catch addicts.  Players who have retired have admitted they smoked weed their entire career.  How can they do that?  Because they don't have random drug tests for recreational drugs unless you've been caught before.  The league let's you know when the "weed tests" are coming each year.  Then after you pass, you are free to smoke all you want until the following year around the same time.  Its really an idiot test and those that can't stop for a short period of time are the ones that get "caught."  And then when you get "caught," you don't get suspended.  You simply move on to the next phase of the program.  By the time a player gets suspended for weed, he's not only proven he's addicted (addictive personality) but even after getting caught, he kept smoking it and kept failing tests until finally the league issues a punishment.  And the fact that the players know when they are going to get tested...there are no "random" tests for weed...and the fact that a suspension means the player have failed a series of tests (not just 1 or 2)...is misunderstood by alot of casual fans.

[Wes21]

2 hours ago, Panic said:

Deadlines make Deals. They will sign a deal at the midnight hour, just like last time.

Definitely.  Even if the "perfect deal" for one side was put on the table, they would turn it down in hopes of getting something even better.

[top dawg]

15 hours ago, PanthersBigD said:

Glad the players have a union that's standing up for them. Can't have football without the football players. This sport has been skewed too far in favor of ownership for too long. 

Yep! Just about any dimwit paying the least bit of attention should know that the MLB & NBA players have markedly fairer deals than NFL players, when NFL players should arguably have the best agreements due to the sacrifices that are made due to the sports' sheer brutality, and of course the league's unrivaled  popularity.

[thefuzz]

21 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yep! Just about any dimwit paying the least bit of attention should know that the MLB & NBA players have markedly fairer deals than NFL players, when NFL players should arguably have the best agreements due to the sacrifices that are made due to the sports' sheer brutality, and of course the league's unrivaled  popularity.

It's just not that simple.  We really need to stop comparing different sports to football when the only thing they really have in common is a ball.

The operating expenses alone to operate a football team and an NBA team have to be wildly different, no?  Amount of players, size of stadium, cost of travel, facilities to keep players healthy, shortness (in terms of home games) per season, etc......

The reason the NFL players have so little leverage, and will continue to be so, is the amount of players it takes to make up a football team.  There are probably 20% of the league that can afford a year off, 5% that can retire today and they could never run out of money. 

That leaves a HELL OF A LOT of players to break the picket line.

Personally, I'm perfectly fine removing any drug testing outside of steroids.  Want to smoke weed, go right ahead, take HGH, couldn't care less.  Also fine with less contact at TC and in practice, but the quality of the game is being diminished by this IMO.

End of the day, the players will probably have to be satisfied with this, I imagine that they will have a tough time with the higher % of revenue or longer guaranteed contracts.

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, thefuzz said:

It's just not that simple.  We really need to stop comparing different sports to football when the only thing they really have in common is a ball.

The operating expenses alone to operate a football team and an NBA team have to be wildly different, no?  Amount of players, size of stadium, cost of travel, facilities to keep players healthy, shortness (in terms of home games) per season, etc......

The reason the NFL players have so little leverage, and will continue to be so, is the amount of players it takes to make up a football team.  There are probably 20% of the league that can afford a year off, 5% that can retire today and they could never run out of money. 

That leaves a HELL OF A LOT of players to break the picket line.

Personally, I'm perfectly fine removing any drug testing outside of steroids.  Want to smoke weed, go right ahead, take HGH, couldn't care less.  Also fine with less contact at TC and in practice, but the quality of the game is being diminished by this IMO.

End of the day, the players will probably have to be satisfied with this, I imagine that they will have a tough time with the higher % of revenue or longer guaranteed contracts.

Good point, but the NFL is still screwing its players, particularly as it pertains to guaranteed money! The deck of cards is stacked in their favor, as they can hold players' feet to the fire--even dump them--but the players can't do the sane.. If the players can at least get this changed, they'll have gained a great benefit. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, Wes21 said:

Years ago I remember the President of the NFLPA, Eric Winston, said weed is more complicated than it looks from the outside.  The owners obviously don't want to give away anything for free, so to get movement on weed you have to give back something in return.  So what happens when he goes to the players and asks what they are willing to give up?  He gets crickets.  He said something along the lines of "why would Drew Brees vote to give up something of value to himself, when he doesn't have personal issues with the drug policy?"  Then he pointed out that 90%+ of the players don't have issues with the recreational drug policy.  The ones that get suspended for recreational drugs are outliers.  So how can you convince most of the players to concede something for a few outliers?  Then you talk to the owners, and they aren't willing to concede anything for the outliers without getting something.  So the circle continues.

To me the NFL has a great recreational drug policy that's set up to only catch addicts.  Players who have retired have admitted they smoked weed their entire career.  How can they do that?  Because they don't have random drug tests for recreational drugs unless you've been caught before.  The league let's you know when the "weed tests" are coming each year.  Then after you pass, you are free to smoke all you want until the following year around the same time.  Its really an idiot test and those that can't stop for a short period of time are the ones that get "caught."  And then when you get "caught," you don't get suspended.  You simply move on to the next phase of the program.  By the time a player gets suspended for weed, he's not only proven he's addicted (addictive personality) but even after getting caught, he kept smoking it and kept failing tests until finally the league issues a punishment.  And the fact that the players know when they are going to get tested...there are no "random" tests for weed...and the fact that a suspension means the player have failed a series of tests (not just 1 or 2)...is misunderstood by alot of casual fans.

Addicted? To marijuana?