DT vs. OT

[beo]

30 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

"Proven" OTs don't hit FA very often.  When they do, there tends to be a reason for it.

anthony castonzo is available as of now, idk if he'll be resigned or if he's been worse lately but i recall he was a solid tackle for the colts for a while

[1of10Charnatives]

12 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

agreed to disagree

 

if you are sent to the store by your wife with an ingredient list for a cake, but a limited budget, and don't need eggs cause you already have eggs at home..  are you going to pick up more eggs and not have enough money to get another essential ingredient like baking soda or flour? 

 

cause thats what a Rookie OT is. fresh eggs from the store. unproven potential when you already have that in the fridge. unproven potential. and then youd gave a flat ass cake too

using your analogy I'd say what we have at present are eggs in the fridge that there is a very strong probability have gone bad, and if you use them in the cake, maybe you just screwed the whole cake.

[Wes21]

3 minutes ago, beo said:

anthony castonzo is available as of now, idk if he'll be resigned or if he's been worse lately but i recall he was a solid tackle for the colts for a while

Castonzo will be 32 to start the season and the Colts have a gajillion dollars available to sign him.  If they let him walk, that's a red flag.

[beo]

1 minute ago, Wes21 said:

Castonzo will be 32 to start the season and the Colts have a gajillion dollars available to sign him.  If they let him walk, that's a red flag.

yeah thats a pretty good point, the colts are like a cap space haram. a 38 year old andrew whitworth has his contract up as well (the rams are in cap hell, so there's chance he might walk), but besides that it'd be a 50/50 diceroll at best at the tackle spot if we were to look for f/as. im personally weary of that after that godforsaken kalil contract.

[cmichd]

43 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

banking on a Rookie to be an instant upgrade is as big of a risk as banking on Little. 

 

proven FA? Im all for. Id rather do that. 

We saw what happen when we banked on a proven FA in Ryan's brother.  Not good results and we thought it was an upgrade.  It was a swinging door almost as bad as Little was last year.

[Pantha-kun]

I think theyre both equally enticing . 

One the one hand : Our Dline is still very old, almost all our DL players are 30+ besides Burns and Butler, Butler might not even be resigned. We were the absolute worst team in the NFL in defending against the run. Adding Derrick Brown would probably give an aging KK Short new life and would let Addison and Burns feast on the edge. Wed still have an overall aging Dline problem, IMO you need another one not just Brown. 

The other side : We haven't fully adressed OT since Gross retired several years ago. Its been a reoccuring problem that we have been piss poor at blocking good-great pass rushers and it was the main achilles heel that prevented us from winning SB 50. Getting a really good LT would solve a lot of offensive woes. I think you'd have to replace Paradis too if he doesn't seriously step up his game. But Moton and Turner are good young players on the right side; we need a good one on the left too. 

[jfra78]

I say give Little a chance this year and get interior oline later in the draft.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Franchise offensive tackles are much harder to come by than DTs. Take one while you have the chance

[cmichd]

24 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

agreed to disagree

 

if you are sent to the store by your wife with an ingredient list for a cake, but a limited budget, and don't need eggs cause you already have eggs at home..  are you going to pick up more eggs and not have enough money to get another essential ingredient like baking soda or flour? 

 

cause thats what a Rookie OT is. fresh eggs from the store. unproven potential when you already have that in the fridge. unproven potential. and then youd gave a flat ass cake too

Little wasn't even the best LT in last year's draft (Dillard) who was on the board when we picked and took Burns.  While Burns did decent he didn't ball out.  We wasted a pick to move up so we could get him and then waited 67 picks before our next pick.  Just think Settle used that early 3rd round pick to pick up DK Metcalf with our pick.  Just imagine what our WR's would have been like with him along with Moore, Samuel, and CMC.  

"Against Alabama, Little was bull rushed into the pocket and gave up some pressures to the inside. That happened in other games too, as he gave up some pressures to players who won't play in the NFL, and he seemed disinterested at times. As a player, Little should have returned to Ole Miss to get stronger before going pro. However given this weak tackle class, it could turn out to be a good time for him to come out, as he could be the first tackle to come off the board given how many NFL teams are desperate for tackle help.'  

That was from Walter football.....Maybe that was his problem last year.  He was just too concussed and disinterested at time to be playing in the NFL last year.  That money was too easy.  Why should the Panthers be willing to take another chance on a Left Tackle to protect Cam or any other QB we put back there when he isn't into the game.

[1of10Charnatives]

8 minutes ago, cmichd said:

Little wasn't even the best LT in last year's draft (Dillard) who was on the board when we picked and took Burns.  While Burns did decent he didn't ball out.  We wasted a pick to move up so we could get him and then waited 67 picks before our next pick.  Just think Settle used that early 3rd round pick to pick up DK Metcalf with our pick.  Just imagine what our WR's would have been like with him along with Moore, Samuel, and CMC.  

"Against Alabama, Little was bull rushed into the pocket and gave up some pressures to the inside. That happened in other games too, as he gave up some pressures to players who won't play in the NFL, and he seemed disinterested at times. As a player, Little should have returned to Ole Miss to get stronger before going pro. However given this weak tackle class, it could turn out to be a good time for him to come out, as he could be the first tackle to come off the board given how many NFL teams are desperate for tackle help.'  

That was from Walter football.....Maybe that was his problem last year.  He was just too concussed and disinterested at time to be playing in the NFL last year.  That money was too easy.  Why should the Panthers be willing to take another chance on a Left Tackle to protect Cam or any other QB we put back there when he isn't into the game.

Never seen that blurb before but I will say that a guy who comes out early when his game is clearly still unpolished and his scouting report includes phrases like "looks disinterested at times" scares me. Makes me worry the guy is only in it for the money and will not give you much beyond what it takes to earn his paycheck. I'm still willing to give Little time to develop and hope he can get healthy, I'm just not willing to depend on him at LT in Cam's career defining season.

[Waldo]

Little's problem is he was never very good and the less he is asked to do the better be looks, even in college. Our problem is that Hurney picked him and now we give him a 2nd shot. 2 concusions is a huge issue, added on the the fact he was IRed for something else entirely. Yes it may be overcomable but if we bank on that again because of youth or drafted position and disregard his ability and production then we will get what we deserve, crap play from a known position issue. As far as what we spent on him, well that's as effective as what we spent on the bad Kalil. If he is able to produce somewhere and stay healthy, win. He can improve away from a project and would have value. Take a known and good product over a project that is a maybe at best at this point anyday. At this point everything points to building around Little at LT is the kind of team building descision that gets you picking in the top 10 and having the same discussion next year. I know that is a very familier place as a Panthers fan but its crap.

[Wes21]

44 minutes ago, cmichd said:

We saw what happen when we banked on a proven FA in Ryan's brother.  Not good results and we thought it was an upgrade.  It was a swinging door almost as bad as Little was last year.

Teams don't tend to let good offensive lineman go, and the lineman seem pretty content to stay as well.  So when you see one, particularly at OT...you have to question why.  I am not a fan of using early 1st round picks on lineman.  But I do have to admit that if you see a good one, you need to scoop him up in the draft...because if he is as good as you think he is, you probably won't see him again.

[cmichd]

13 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Never seen that blurb before but I will say that a guy who comes out early when his game is clearly still unpolished and his scouting report includes phrases like "looks disinterested at times" scares me. Makes me worry the guy is only in it for the money and will not give you much beyond what it takes to earn his paycheck. I'm still willing to give Little time to develop and hope he can get healthy, I'm just not willing to depend on him at LT in Cam's career defining season.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2019OT.php

I am not trying to be hard on Little but this does show some of the things we saw last year.  This coming year could be different and the coaching staff might put the fear of God into him and get him to perform.  Maybe putting him at guard will help him and take the pressure off being the number one guy to protect the QB.

[raleigh-panther]

6 hours ago, The Huddler said:

We need to give Little more of a shot than a concussion riddled rookie season with a lame duck head coach. 

 

go draft at a position that is devoid of talent and young potential aka DT

 

Hurney isn't drafting a LT a season after trading up for "our future left tackle". Bitch and say what you want, Id bet good money we will not be drafting LT

I say two concussions in 8 weeks in his first year does not bode well for Little or  the Panthers  
High ankle sprains heal.

Concussions do not as one makes the next  one more likely to happen

as far as Hurney, I best leave that alone