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Carolina sticking with Cam

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3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

The quickest path back to relevance comes by rebuilding a defense. You're far more likely to luck into 20 points on offense with CMC and Moore than you are to luck into holding a team under 20 with Shaq and a bunch of delivery boys and door-to-door dictionary salesmen on defense. 

Pick Brown No. 7. If he ain't there, pick Simmons. Go for Kyle Dugger if we can. Dude will be a beast. This offseason needs to be defense-first.

First 3-4 rounds needs to be OT, Defense, Defense, Defense without a doubt. I just hope we have someone next to Hurney after round 1.

 

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8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

And you are going after him because you disagree with his ways of presenting information because you think it is somehow self-serving? And you are not a mod, but you are trying to direct mods to do your bidding?  The man tries to share what he reads and hears. I promise you that he reads more than you do on this stuff--he is perhaps the most well-read Huddler--period (which isn't saying that much).  I appreciate it, for one--and loathe people who think we all should agree with you or we are all dumb. That is pathetically sophomoric.  This Cam issue is way too personal for some on here.  Regardless of how great you think he was/can be, there is reason to question his future in Carolina.  If the mods go after anyone, I doubt it is Mr Scot. 

All this means is that Cam is the starting QB in February.  It does not mean that the Panthers are not trading him--

It could mean, however, that they draft a QB this year to take over in 2021, because Cam & Co. could win 7 games next year.  That is basically what you are hoping for.  The commitment to Cam is not going to be found in some presser on Feb 25--it will be in the form of an extension--

For me, I tend to post anything I think is relevant or anything that people would likely find interesting. On Twitter, the common disclaimer is "retweets are not endorsements". Same here.

For example, I could say I believe the Saints will win the Super Bowl this year. Sure as hell doesn't mean I want that to happen. Just means that's what I think is likely.

The difference should be obvious, but again, some folks don't seem to have the intelligence to distinguish those things.

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9 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

To get this brainlet vs. brainlet battle back on track, no one should be whining or celebrating based off this limited bit of info. Get back to me after the draft and if we haven't picked a QB, then we can say "OK, they were being serious."

There's no way to know before that. But if we do pick a QB, I, well, I don't want to pick a QB this year.

Even if we do pick a QB, it may not mean we are jettisoning Cam. It may just mean some level of forethought was finally being used at the team.

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On 2/25/2020 at 9:42 AM, ellis said:

If true, this is exactly why I thought a trade would be problematic. 

They’re in a bit of a pickle, the organization. 

I actually wrote about this two months ago. The contradiction between teams lining up for his services, but his value being suspect due to injury: 

Pretty close to what Zack mentioned in All Pro.

The one thing Tepper and others have said that is not the least bit vague or misleading or whatever is that it all depends on whether he's healthy or not. Parting ways with a player who isn't healthy can be complicated (and probably should be). Pretty difficult to get any kind of value back on that as well.

The only thing I feel confident saying right now is that Newton isn't getting an extension anytime soon. Going into this season without anything set in stone is precarious for both Newton and the Panthers. It's far from that "perfect world" that Tepper mentioned.

But it is the real world, so...

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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Even if we do pick a QB, it may not mean we are jettisoning Cam. It may just mean some level of forethought was finally being used at the team.

Picking one at 7 would raise a lot of eyebrows.

Mind you, I'm not expecting that, but again...

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