Falcons angling for Chase Young

[shaqattaq]

11 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They gave up what, five draft picks to trade up for Julio Jones?

I mean, it worked in the sense that they got an elite player, but they still haven't won a championship.

As I recall, the trade was with the Browns who then turned around and wasted all five picks on guys who busted out of the league within just a few short years.

I’d love to see the entire trade now and give it a grade 

What's the grade below F??

In 2011, Atlanta Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff made the riskiest move of his tenure. 

He decided to trade up in the draft to select Julio Jones. The Falcons were selecting at pick 27 that year and Dimitroff moved up to No. six in a swap with the Cleveland Browns. 

The Falcons gave up their first-round pick that year along with their second and fourth-round picks in 2011. They gave up their first and fourth-round picks in the 2012 draft as well. With those picks, the Browns selected defensive lineman Phil Taylor, fullback Owen Marecic, and quarterback Brandon Weeden. They packaged on of the picks in 2012 to trade up for Trent Richardson. 

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, everyone knows who won that trade. Jones has been one of the best, if not the best, receivers in the game since he entered the league. For his career, he has caught 797 passes for 12,125 yards and 57 touchdowns. He has led the league in receiving twice in 2015 and 2018 with 1,871 and 1,677 yards respectively. Also, he has been selected to the Pro Bowl seven times and voted an All-Pro twice. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/falcons/news/atlanta-cleveland-browns-falcons-julio-jones-trade-2011-nfl-draft

EDIT: Browns gonna Brown! LOL

 

[bythenbrs]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They gave up what, five draft picks to trade up for Julio Jones?

I mean, it worked in the sense that they got an elite player, but they still haven't won a championship.

As I recall, the trade was with the Browns who then turned around and wasted all five picks on guys who busted out of the league within just a few short years.

Classic definition of a 'win-win'... 

[Mr. Scot]

I just had to look up who the Browns got with those picks. Here's the list.

NT Phil Taylor

WR Greg Little

RB Owen Marecic

QB Brandon Weeden

And the final pick was used to trade up to the #3 spot where they took RB Trent Richardson.

Wow...

[Borat]

1 hour ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Do it Falcons. Make me laugh like when you gave up the farm for Julio

Falcons got a future HOFer. Not sure why that's humorous from a rival's perspective, but whatever floats your boat.

FWIW, I think the Redskins aren't interested in dealing #2. Falcons probably just kicking the tires to see if they can get a deal.

[trueblade]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They gave up what, five draft picks to trade up for Julio Jones?

I mean, it worked in the sense that they got an elite player, but they still haven't won a championship.

As I recall, the trade was with the Browns who then turned around and wasted all five picks on guys who busted out of the league within just a few short years.

They haven't won a championship, but let's not pretend they didn't come darn close.

 

[DamnItJake!]

Thought they were after Kinlaw now it’s Young?? Lol!! Whatever!! 8pm can’t come fast enough!! 

[rippadonn]

We've only had THAT guy maybe four times in franchise history, #90,#89,#1,#59.

Atlanta having sacrificed to get THAT guy in the past is willing to go all out and get THAT guy because they have to because they have New Orleans in their division.

Trying to win. Admirable. Trying to lose sucks.

[JARROD]

Well Rivera would have quite a dominant defensive line(on Paper anyway). That’s what makes his defense work and so I don’t see him parting ways with it.

of course the Falcons could pull a Julio trade.

i mean,.. go ahead and give up 2 firsts and a bunch of others. I would have to take it.

[AU-panther]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Per Jay Glazer... 

Gotta say I really wouldn't want to see that happen, but happily it doesn't sound like it's going to.

Why would you not want to see it happen?  

The team with the best player doesn't win, heck you don't even get bonus points for having the best player.

The goal is to be the team with the best roster.

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Why would you not want to see it happen?  

The team with the best player doesn't win, heck you don't even get bonus points for having the best player.

The goal is to be the team with the best roster.

Because I don't like the idea of our quarterbacks being harassed by Young twice a year for the next several seasons, especially not with the current state of our offensive line.

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I just had to look up who the Browns got with those picks. Here's the list.

NT Phil Taylor

WR Greg Little

RB Owen Marecic

QB Brandon Weeden

And the final pick was used to trade up to the #3 spot where they took RB Trent Richardson.

Wow...

That doesn't mean that trading down was the wrong play, it means they are terrible at drafting.  

Statistically speaking, most studies I've seen, show that trading down according to the trade value chart benifits the person trading down.

If I'm not mistaken didnt Jimmy Johnson have alot of input on the creatation of that chart, and he was one to trade down often.

Can tradign down not work?  of course.  Can a trade up work? of course

Buts its like blackjack, certain plays have a higher % chance of winning and overtime those odds show up.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because I don't like the idea of our quarterbacks being harassed by Young twice a year for the next several seasons, especially not with the current state of our offensive line.

Maybe the rest of their line will be terrible since they gave up so many assets.  Either way you can't look at it like that, moves like that don't happen in a vacuum.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, AU-panther said:

That doesn't mean that trading down was the wrong play, it means they are terrible at drafting.  

Statistically speaking, most studies I've seen, show that trading down according to the trade value chart benifits the person trading down.

If I'm not mistaken didnt Jimmy Johnson have alot of input on the creatation of that chart, and he was one to trade down often.

Can tradign down not work?  of course.  Can a trade up work? of course

Buts its like blackjack, certain plays have a higher % chance of winning and overtime those odds show up.

Maybe the rest of their line will be terrible since they gave up so many assets.  Either way you can't look at it like that, moves like that don't happen in a vacuum.

I'm pretty sure any team in the league would have taken what the Falcons were offering. I don't blame the Browns for that.

Being terrible at drafting? Yeah, that's their fault.

As to Young, even if they can't put it all together to win a championship, I'm never in favor of great players going to division rivals.

[theinstrumental]

15 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

That doesn't mean that trading down was the wrong play, it means they are terrible at drafting.  

Statistically speaking, most studies I've seen, show that trading down according to the trade value chart benifits the person trading down.

If I'm not mistaken didnt Jimmy Johnson have alot of input on the creatation of that chart, and he was one to trade down often.

Can tradign down not work?  of course.  Can a trade up work? of course

Buts its like blackjack, certain plays have a higher % chance of winning and overtime those odds show up.

Maybe the rest of their line will be terrible since they gave up so many assets.  Either way you can't look at it like that, moves like that don't happen in a vacuum.

 

The Jimmy Johnson chart also seriously overvalues the top picks. Chase Stuart created a new one that shows that trading down is even more profitable than previously thought. 

http://www.footballperspective.com/creating-a-draft-value-chart-part-ii/

[theinstrumental]

If the Redskins stay put at #2 to take a defensive end and ride with Haskins, it's going to completely justify Rivera's departure. That's organizational suicide.