Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Sorry if YOU continue to move the goal post.

By pointing out that you used a comparison of seasons in which Matt Ryan played in 15% more games than Cam Newton at which point you flew into a rage?

Yep, guilty as charged. LOL!

[Bytes]

18 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You are doing very skewed comparison, I’m not going to advocate for cam being an elite passer or anything close to it but you threw those stats up for Ryan as if he doesn’t have Julio Jones to throw too. 

also for all the stats you’ve listed for Ryan, cam has a better playoff win percentage, and virtually the same if not better success than Ryan who’ve you used as a comparison chart. So in closing you rather have the guy who is a better passer but still ends up in the same position as the inferior passer ?  
 

 

Also look at their head to head comparison...its a joke. Even though the Panthers consistently had better defenses.

[Bytes]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

By pointing out that you used a comparison of seasons in which Matt Ryan played in 15% more games than Cam Newton at which point you flew into a rage?

Yep, guilty as charged. LOL!

im not in a rage..my point is 9 seasons. Maybe Cam should have ran less

[Cpt slay a ho]

9 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Oh because he throws to JJ skewers the stats??? Ill add that to the excuse list for Cam...also do you know Ryan has the third highest QB rating of all time in the playoffs? Their win lost record in the playoffs is not because of him. And no they are not in the same position...one has a team, better record and stats. The other is unemployed.

The hypocrisy in the bold is astonishing, Ryan has the third highest rating and yet cam has a better win percentage in the playoffs, you know the guy who can’t throw apparently.....

and let me get this straight, it’s not Ryan’s fault because of the playoff losses, one in which the guy with third highest rating in playoff history manage to score a measly 2 points against the giants and a whooping 10 points to the eagles, but anytime someone brings up factors that played a role in Cam’s lack of passing numbers it’s an excuse ? Pick a side of the fence.

ryan has the same success as a unemployed cam, that’s even worst, at least cam has won the division 3 times in a row a feat Ryan has yet to replicate even slightly. You brought all the shinny stats up for Ryan and at the end of the day he’s accomplished as much as the guy you’re trying to making out as the mark Sanchez passing wise, let that sink in for a sec  

[nosuchthingasapanther]

12 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

That doesn’t excuse the team drs, looks like every dr was wrong except the one who told cam surgery was the fix. Now connecting that to the cam begging the team to let him have surgery is a monumental stretch for the average joe but I can see what Tolbert might have been referring too, the guy doesn’t have any bad blood with the old or new panthers regime. 

i wouldn't say all the doctors who wouldn't do the surgery were wrong. it's more like he finally found someone who agreed to do it.

i just recently had shoulder surgery after two years of physical therapy. several doctors told me surgery would help with the discomfort and pain, but my shoulder would never be back to normal. i had the surgery, and sure enough the doctors who opted for everything except surgery were right. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

8 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Also look at their head to head comparison...its a joke. Even though the Panthers consistently had better defenses.

It’s 6-8 lol for a guy who’s far superior that’s not great 

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

i wouldn't say all the doctors who wouldn't do the surgery were wrong. it's more like he finally found someone who agreed to do it.

i just recently had shoulder surgery after two years of physical therapy. several doctors told me surgery would help with the discomfort and pain, but my shoulder would never be back to normal. i had the surgery, and sure enough the doctors who opted for everything except surgery were right. 

It’s definitely a conundrum, I had patella tendinitis for quite sometime and never could shake it, finally opted into surgery and the situation felt worst than before the surgery. It’s a double edge sword, especially with surgery because of potential scar tissue ect. 

I don’t believe what Tolbert said is 100% true but may have some truth hidden in the middle, I was just saying don’t write his opinion off hastily.

also athletes have all the money and access to high end equipment post surgery that us normal joes don’t have within arm reach, after my surgery I’d watch Carmelo Anthony and Steven Jackson play basketball day in and out like nothing ever happened(Both have torn patellar preciously), mind boggling, and don’t get me started on athletes that have suffered acl tears And come back better than before 

I hope that shoulder eventually eases up on you cause man I know the feeling I had post surgery was a utter let down 

[RASTAN66]

The 4th opinion....that's the one that is always right....lol.

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Notes: Cam surpassed 4k yds 3 times in his 9 yr career. ZERO times over 5k. 2 times over a 90 QB rating. 3 times over 60% completion rate

 

Lol. NEVER over 5k yards. I like the emphasis on the thing that has happened only 12 times in NFL history and only 9 QB's have achieved.

[mrcompletely11]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All I get from you is that when Cam is involved, the record matters (his record being an overall winning one on an overall losing record of a franchise, mind you) but when it's a player you actually like, it's the ultimate team sport.

You just don't like Cam for whatever reason. Simply admit that and move on.

I love cam, probably my favorite panther of all time tied with Luke however I can put my emotion aside and understand why Cam is not signed right now.  There are a ton of reasons and its pretty obvious once you remove any personal tie you may have.

[RenoCarolina]

8 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

That dumpster fire was 5-2 with the two losses being his two starts... That makes no sense.

on Nov 1st we were 4-3 and coming off a 51-13 humiliating loss that exposed all 3 phases of our game as crappy.   Much like the year before and the Steeler game. ( Another game Tepper will never forget.)  At that moment we needed Cam to come back or at least make concrete plans to come back and instead he went to get a 3rd opinion.  JMO, but I think that is when he lost Tepper. 

Then, after going on IR Cam decided to get surgery in December where his recovery would come in March.  Forcing the Panthers (and, in the end, the rest of the NFL) to negotiate any extension or new contract while Cam's health was less than 100%.   Then, as pointed out in the article, Covid-19 did us no favors.

Don't get me wrong, I hate that Cam is not our #1 any longer.  But to place 100% of the blame on the Panther organization is not a correct reading of all the facts.  And if you want proof of that you only have to see that Cam's services are still available.

[Icege]

11 hours ago, Bytes said:

OK.....I love a challenge.  I dont speak about things unless I can back it up....apparently you dont.

Since you asked...Cams career total yards/TDs for regular season including RUSHING stats.

Total yds: 33847

Total TDs: 240

Notes: Cam surpassed 4k yds 3 times in his 9 yr career. ZERO times over 5k. 2 times over a 90 QB rating. 3 times over 60% completion rate

For comparison I used the hated ,skinny, slow, noodle armed Matt Ryan over the SAME 9 yrs span:

Total yds: 42155

Total TDs: 258

Notes: Ryan surpassed 4k yds 9 times in in the 9 yr span. TWO times over 5k. 7 times over a 90 QB rating. The other 2 times he was over 89. 9 times over 60% completion rate. 

And by the way one is in Cali hosting a passing camp for his teammates, the other is posting on Instagram showing off his abs.

Are we good now?

Matt Ryan's passing attempts those years: 566, 615, 651, 628, 614, 534, 529, 608, 616. He has never had over 5k yards in a single season unless you're trying to fluff his numbers with postseason stats as well. The highest was 2018 when he threw for 4924. His first two seasons were the only ones he wasn't asked to throw it over 500 times. He has also ALWAYS had top tier weapons.

Cam Newton has had only two seasons where he had more than 500 passing attempts. The first, his rookie season, he broke 4k. The other was 3.5k, and that was the season he was riddled with injuries. Cam was always the top tier weapon.

You are repeatedly fuging up this challenge.  At what point are you willing to admit that you don't even have the facts straight?

[thefuzz]

So, still no in depth explanation on how the Panthers "screwed over" Cam Newton?

 

[RASTAN66]

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