Greg Little - oh dear

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I think that’s a red herring. He looked ok for 1.5 games. That’s all he played before getting hurt. Remember Chris Clark the year before? Came off his couch and looked pretty solid for more than that and then turned into poo. Remember Delaire’s first two games or Obada’s first real playing time?

It’s not hard to look good for that short a period. There’s hundreds of one hit wonders in the NFL. It wasn’t like Little was a stalwart looking like a stud, he was just not awful and then in the first or second game back he looked completely awful against Atlanta.

All I'm saying is that he looked a lot different than he has after those concussions. Not just in terms of his play and effectiveness, but his basic movement skills.

[Icege]

54 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're not wrong. He looked pretty decent last year before his concussions. It honestly makes you wonder if there's lingering effects there.

It isn't related to concussions.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/gregory-little/32194c49-5442-3164-c0c4-a09d5b84715

Weaknesses

• Needs to work on core power and upper body development
• Lacks force and power in down block
• Too many inefficiencies in movements as run blocker
• Initial hand strike as run blocker lacks tempo and pace
• Waist bend with nose past toes at point of attack
• Leaves feet behind after contact
• Hand strength is very average
• Races to predetermined set points
• Impatient and chases rushers rather than waiting back
• Gets bounced back into pocket by early rush charge
• Below-average body control in recovery movements

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

It isn't related to concussions.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/gregory-little/32194c49-5442-3164-c0c4-a09d5b84715

Weaknesses

• Needs to work on core power and upper body development
• Lacks force and power in down block
• Too many inefficiencies in movements as run blocker
• Initial hand strike as run blocker lacks tempo and pace
• Waist bend with nose past toes at point of attack
• Leaves feet behind after contact
• Hand strength is very average
• Races to predetermined set points
• Impatient and chases rushers rather than waiting back
• Gets bounced back into pocket by early rush charge
• Below-average body control in recovery movements

See above post. It was a small sample size, but his basic movement skills look night and day different after the concussions.

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

It was obvious to all the teams that passed on him...not Hurney, he traded up in the RD to get him 

At least Amni, who he also drafted In the second RD, could occasionally stand in place and block someone 

 

OCCASIONALLY.

He USUALLY got peter rolled into the QB's legs about 2 seconds after the snap. 

[thefuzz]

The Bills have gotten us twice now with OT's.

We snag Little and made Beane speechless, then they immediately grab Cody.

We snag Amini (from Midwestern State no less) and made thefuzz speechless, they immediately grab Cordy Glenn from Georgia.

We sure do have a GM here who knows Offensive Line huh?

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

See above post. It was a small sample size, but his basic movement skills look night and day different after the concussions.

Again, I think that’s a red herring. Maybe it was the DL he got lined up against that one game.

I watched him do the run backwards and twist drill at the combine among others. The point is to swivel and stay straight. He zig zagged so much I thought an alligator was chasing him. I don’t remember him being great just didn’t look awful. It was an outlier IMHO because what we see now is what you’d have expected from the combine where he was running apples to apples drills to other competent OL. He looked like Gaulden test results, he was the most unathletic OL out there. He was polar opposite of how smooth and athletic Burns looked at the same combine.

Anyway, if Chris Clark looked competent before looking atrocious then that small sample size it the outlier and his play now isn’t due to a concussion suffered over a year ago.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Again, I think that’s a red herring. Maybe it was the DL he got lined up against that one game.

I watched him do the run backwards and twist drill at the combine among others. The point is to swivel and stay straight. He zig zagged so much I thought an alligator was chasing him. I don’t remember him being great just didn’t look awful. It was an outlier IMHO because what we see now is what you’d have expected from the combine where he was running apples to apples drills to other competent OL. He looked like Gaulden test results, he was the most unathletic OL out there. He was polar opposite of how smooth and athletic Burns looked at the same combine.

Anyway, if Chris Clark looked competent before looking atrocious then that small sample size it the outlier and his play now isn’t due to a concussion suffered over a year ago.

I don't disagree that he looked awful at the Combine and I said the same last year. I wanted no part of drafting Little. BUT, he did look decent in a small sample size prior to the concussions. Since then he has looked utterly atrocious on virtually every snap. Something changed. As for the  potential lingering effects of concussions, Oher and many others would likely strongly disagree with your assessment.

[Khyber53]

14 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

Byron Bell! I was wondering what happened to our friend and there he is!

Nah, Byron was better than that. 

This looks like a guy who was a marginal/trainable talent who had to sit out an entire season of games and practices because of concussions, then had no real training camp practice, and only second team reps at that. Oh yeah, that's exactly what happened to him. 

Maybe he can improve. There's legitimately a lot of rust on him from inactivity and bad coaching last season (our O-line was abominable). There might be too much rust there, though, far too much rust. 

[Icege]

49 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

See above post. It was a small sample size, but his basic movement skills look night and day different after the concussions.

Above post or not, his basic movement skills were questioned even in his scouting report as shown in my previous post. He's looked like a flailing giraffe since his first camp.

I would encourage anybody with the idea that Greg Little was "solid" last year go back and watch the tape, because the reality of the situation is that he has had body control issues and has only been consistent in getting blown up. This isn't a concussion issue, this is a skill issue.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Yes. He had a great PFF grading in college (like Grier) and we all remember how much Hurney mentioned analytics before that draft. Anyone who attended the combine saw the real Little and he was dropping hard. We caught the proverbial falling 300lb knife while jumping up at it.

Hurney admitted years ago in a radio interview that he read the annual draft magazines you see in the grocery store.

It wouldn't surprise me if he put a lot of stock in something like PFF. Pretty sure Rivera did too.

[Mr. Scot]

The body control question reminds me of our old buddy Legedu Naanee.

Every time he jumped, he looked like a flailing toddler.

[Verge]

His technique has not changed at all out of college. He is either lazy or cannot receive coaching. 

[LinvilleGorge]

I wish I could be mad, but I've seen enough Hurney 2nd round busts that this is completely expected. This is what most Hurney 2nd round picks look like. Let's just hope that Chinn keeps looking good.

[Jeremy Igo]

1 minute ago, Verge said:

He is either lazy or cannot receive coaching.