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Phil Snow's Defense

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13 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I'm not slamming the HC (Matt Rhule) I'm questioning the coaching style of the OC (Phil Snow). Whether shine of players should or shouldn't be on the roster isn't the issue. The issue is that they're missing tackles, whiffing on tackles, out of position and instructed to play a extremely soft zone coverage that any QB in the NFL and many in college can pick apart. 

This is a losing defensive scheme against most teams.

I meant Snow. My fault. They didn't have any TC, and tackling is a lost art form nowadays. Do they even tackle in practice anymore? 

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Regardless of who the defenders are, what team with a soft zone coverage is successful in the NFL? It's Phil Snow's Defense. Phil Snow needs to fix it with the personnel he has right now, later is for later. We're suppose to be in the business of coaching and teaching players how to run our systems. How can you teach a player to run a system that can't win with regularity in this league?

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I get that many of you don't want to blame Phil Snow's Defense on these losses but blame the players instead. I agree that we don't have top NFL defensive players on our roster, offense or defense. But at least on the offense you can see constant adjustments and matchups. All I see on defense is players constantly out of position, wrong lane assignments, loss of containment, missed tackles, bad angles and great efforts to whiff at making tackles. These are all coachable flaws and all Phil Snow's fault. His system isn't working.

Hmm...:thinking:

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For once I would love to see us send 5 or 6 on 3rd down. Play man, fug it they may score anyways. Roll the dice run some dogs, stunts, or if you must play zone fire. I mean damn rush 3 on 3rd and forever and they have 95% chance of converting is ridiculous. Mix it up, throw in some pressure, what else do you have to lose?

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17 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I get that many of you don't want to blame Phil Snow's Defense on these losses but blame the players instead. I agree that we don't have top NFL defensive players on our roster, offense or defense. But at least on the offense you can see constant adjustments and matchups. All I see on defense is players constantly out of position, wrong lane assignments, loss of containment, missed tackles, bad angles and great efforts to whiff at making tackles. These are all coachable flaws and all Phil Snow's fault. His system isn't working.

Hmm...:thinking:

A lot of what you're talking about falls more of the individual position coaches than the DC.

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For once I would love to see us send 5 or 6 on 3rd down. Play man, fug it they may score anyways. Roll the dice run some dogs, stunts, or if you must play zone fire. I mean damn rush 3 on 3rd and forever and they have 95% chance of converting is ridiculous. Mix it up, throw in some pressure, what else do you have to lose?

Remember that 98 yard TD run? Yeah... that's what happens when you try to get aggressive with a completely unreliable MLB and FS.

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remember that 98 yard TD run? Yeah... that's what happens when you try to get aggressive with a completely unreliable MLB and FS.

Yep I remember well. I am not excited about having 52 cover my jock man to man, but on 3rd and 15+ make the QB speed up. This 3 man rush bullshit is not working. Manufacture pressure. I think every OC in the NFL knows what to do when we go 3 down linemen on 3rd and long. You can not give any NFL QB 7 to 9 seconds to make a play. Sadly, I haven’t watched the All 22 yet, but my guess is we played run blitz on that 98 yard play. Looking at the tape 54 had the c gap, 52 had the B gap, no one on the A or right B, C gap. Bad, bad, play call and alignment. 52 got sucked up like he was up against a Kirby.

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11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of what you're talking about falls more of the individual position coaches than the DC.

Those guys are all the DC’s responsibility. 
 

Having said that, this is a first time NFL DC and he’s getting about the same results as Ron did last year.

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22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remember that 98 yard TD run? Yeah... that's what happens when you try to get aggressive with a completely unreliable MLB and FS.

It's not terribly uncommon for huge runs in backed up situations, It has happened to us a lot over the years I think the one that this one reminded me of was vs the Dolphins we had Dan Morgan and Mike Minter on the field... that said neither Boston or Whitehead are NFL caliber players I literally said TD as soon as I saw the snap.

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34 minutes ago, philit99 said:

For once I would love to see us send 5 or 6 on 3rd down. Play man, fug it they may score anyways. Roll the dice run some dogs, stunts, or if you must play zone fire. I mean damn rush 3 on 3rd and forever and they have 95% chance of converting is ridiculous. Mix it up, throw in some pressure, what else do you have to lose?

We’ve played man on occasions and it has gone terribly.

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I think I would have a bigger problem if we were not talent depleted. The back seven is horrible except for Chinn. That with the fact Hurney was filling holes without the consent of Rhule or Snow so he inherited a big mess. A such a big mess that they spent 7 rounds trying to fix it. Hopefully we can play FA and while not use all 7 draft a few guys next year to really help. 

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