All of you were right about Cam

[Whatev]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Good post.

There was a fair amount of speculation during the Shula / Dorsey days that the coaching staff was basically afraid to correct him. They'd let him continue to do things his own way - even if it was wrong - rather than try and change him.

There is a baseball coaching edict of coaches.  Don’t coach the athleticism out of a player, in baseball a pitcher for instance.  You and everyone who knows pitching mechanics knows it will shorten the lifespan of the arm or shoulder, but the kid can throw in the top 1-5% of all players despite the mechanical flaw.  
 

Same goes if the kid has been tried to teach out of it and has too much pride to adapt and take a short term hit in performance in lieu of long term gain.

[Tbe]

1 minute ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Oh please. He knew what he was trying to say without actually saying it.

That’s a serious assumption.

[Cookie Lyon]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

That’s a serious assumption.

[Sgt Schultz]

15 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think Brett Favre was lazy.  I don't think Mahomes is lazy.  

you know what all those players consistently do.....have poo mechanics.  

people cheer poo mechanics when the outcome is good.  Look at what Brett did.  He threw a laser off his back foot with his body pointing away from the WR.  How awesome is his arm!!!

 

 

I'm the wrong person to cheer for Favre's place in the whole QB pecking order.  I do think he had an incredible arm, and he was extremely competitive.  But I also think he made some of the dumbest throws I have ever seen from an NFL QB in big games.   That came from him expecting his arm to make up for bad decisions.

Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but if I were in a playoff game and I had to choose between Favre's cannon arm and his decisions, or Cam's cannon arm and his decisions, both in their prime, I'd be telling Cam what plays we wanted to run as he was ready to take the field.

Does that mean Cam was a better QB overall?  Not necessarily, but I trust his decision-making with comparable arm strength a lot more than I would have trusted Favre's.

[blackcat]

I'd give it the whole season before we claim victory for jettisoning Cam.  I'd venture to say he has less weapons in NE than he did here.

[pantherclaw]

Everyone has their opinion. 

Don't bash each other for it being different than yours. 

[pantherclaw]

9 minutes ago, blackcat said:

I'd give it the whole season before we claim victory for jettisoning Cam.  I'd venture to say he has less weapons in NE than he did here.

And do you honestly think he'd be magically better had he stayed here this season?

[Fox007]

3 hours ago, mav1234 said:

From ESPN:

Asked if he'd agree that he might look nervous and scared at times on the field, Newton said: "Nervous? No. Scared? Absolutely not. Thinking? Now that's something I could probably finger-point [as an issue] ... I don't think we're a six-point offense. If anybody is a competitor, they take it personal. Which I do."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30196334/new-england-patriots-qb-cam-newton-admits-starting-job-maybe-jeopardy-being-pulled-loss

Obviously Cam isn't going to blame the shoulder but he is suggesting its mental there. 

Well yea...if Cam was like "my shoulder is shot"

He'd sink his battleship instantly and trigger who knows what could be in the contract in regards to that(if anything).

He was running and looking like old Cam early in the season, the question was never could he do that for a game or two it was always about the entire season.

[pantherclaw]

42 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Lazy? Go ahead and say what you really mean.

I said it exactly how I meant it. Stop being bitter, and assume I meant anything other than what I said. 

Everyone knows Cam has a strong work ethic.  

That didn't stop him from.being lazy about his short comings. 

[Cookie Lyon]

1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

I said it exactly how I meant it. Stop being bitter, and assume I meant anything other than what I said. 

Everyone knows Cam has a strong work ethic.  

That didn't stop him from.being lazy about his short comings. 

I'm not bitter. Stop speaking in code when you describe a Black person's work ethic.

 

[blackcat]

11 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

And do you honestly think he'd be magically better had he stayed here this season?

I can't answer that, but I do know he'd have more talent around him here than he does up there.  I'm not a Cam homer by any means, but I think some folks are jumping at any chance to be 'right' about him being released.

[Davidson Deac II]

I watched Cam's interceptions from yesterday.  Only the Int's, not the rest of his game.  I didn't see anything that would indicate problems with his arm.  The first two were just bad throws, while the third one was a deep ball that the receiver fell down on.  Of course, the receiver was doubled, so maybe he shouldn't have thrown it, but that is a decision making problem, not a arm problem.  

Of course, his other throws may have sucked, I don't know.  But I didn't see any indications of issues with his arm.  

[therealmjl]

Cam has always had mental breakdowns at certain times even when he was at the top of his game he completely checked out. One example, 2015 on the road in Atlanta in December and everyone gave him the “he just had a kid” excuse.

The fact is - football isn’t everything to Cam and it never has been...especially not now. He never really cared enough to hone in and refine his mechanics (and never really had a staff to help him do so either) and he is paying the price now that injuries and age have taken their toll.

His career is ultimately over at this point and it’ sucks to see him go out on such a horrific talent depleted offense - but he has set some records that may never be touched and lifted our franchise from the pits of mediocrity to revive a dead fanbase. Looking forward to his retirement and induction into the ring of honor. Jersey should also be retired, though not many can even put on the #1 jersey in the first place- takes some brass balls. 

long live QB1

[Whatev]

Only person who had something to prove and was in complete control of that was Cam.  
 

Watched some of that game and the 3rd down play that Tom Brady would throw the little out to the releasing RB to his left?  Cam held it too long and telegraphed the pass and no gain.  That’s not a mechanics thing.  Brady makes that pass blindfolded.  To any RB wearing a Pats uniform.