Is Teddy a Checkdown QB?

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They were definitely bad. Any redzone turnover is immediately bad because it instantly wipes points off the board. 

He shouldn't have thrown the first one but he's a gunslinger so of course he tried to thread that needle. He did the same on his way down the field, lasering risky passes between defenders for completions. Those guys usually struggle more in the redzone because the margin of error is smaller when the field gets tighter. Same way Winston throws red zone INT's, Favre threw red zone INT's, Rivers throws red zone INT's. All those gunslingers do this because they are always trying to make the play. 

yes, redzone turnovers are bad. 

Yes, he should not of thrown the first one.  But why would you call such a play design for your gun slinging QB making his first NFL start?  I still maintain the playcall was horrible in that spot.   Redzone is already tight enough and Joe Brady made it stupidly crowded.  I still hate that play design that close.  PJ shouldn't been put in that spot by Brady.    I'm not saying PJ didn't deserve criticism.  But I don't put it all on him. 

[joemac]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Pretty sure Brady was on record as lobbying for signing Teddy.

As opposed to who else that was available last offseason?

[Mol3m4n]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's within the system, though.

Playing in our offense, you kind of expect that.

It doesn't seem to effect PJ Walker. 

[onmyown]

Who cares? He’ll be done after next season at the latest. Or replaced mid season by a new QB drafted this coming draft when he’s mentored a little and taught the system. Like really, this is pretty much guaranteed. His money is short term it doesn’t even matter as the Panthers are still clawing their way out of what 70-80 million dead money and shitty contracts and have a bottom NFL defense. Why waste so much discussion on him? He isn’t staying.

The new QB and restraining dumbass Hurney from idiot moves putting us right back in of this financial hell hole the Panthers are in is by far the most relevant topic to the Panther’s future success, not TB’s 2 year contract that is already half over.

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

yes, redzone turnovers are bad. 

Yes, he should not of thrown the first one.  But why would you call such a play design for your gun slinging QB making his first NFL start?  I still maintain the playcall was horrible in that spot.   Redzone is already tight enough and Joe Brady made it stupidly crowded.  I still hate that play design that close.  PJ shouldn't been put in that spot by Brady.    I'm not saying PJ didn't deserve criticism.  But I don't put it all on him. 

The QB ultimately has the decision to make though, right? He could have throw it away and lived to fight another day, he could have scrambled, he could have thrown it to another receiver, he could have audibled out, he could have taken a sack....etc. Many things he could have done but he chose to make that throw because that is who he is as a player. He's going to try and make plays. 

I didn't think it was a terribly designed play, it just didn't work out. 

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, joemac said:

As opposed to who else that was available last offseason?

Oh there were definitely better options available. We just don't know if they were available to us.

[joemac]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I'd glad take Rivers or Winston over Teddy. At least you'd have the ups to go with the downs. With Teddy it hasn't been much in regards to ups. 

Pretty sure the intention all along (regardless of what the coaches say to the media) was for Teddy to be a bridge QB to whatever rookie we draft this offseason.  Yeah, they gave him 20 mil a year for 3 years, but that is middle of the pack to low starting QB money these days.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, joemac said:

Pretty sure the intention all along (regardless of what the coaches say to the media) was for Teddy to be a bridge QB to whatever rookie we draft this offseason.  Yeah, they gave him 20 mil a year for 3 years, but that is middle of the pack to low starting QB money these days.

Could have had Winston for a ham sandwich in comparison. Hell, could have kept Kyle Allen for even less.

I don't necessarily fault the staff for making the choice that they did, I am just bitterly disappointed in how underwhelming Teddy has been at times. He has elements of being an elite game manager but then he just isn't consistent enough. It would be easy to blame it on supporting cast but that hasn't been the case in all of his poor performances.

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The QB ultimately has the decision to make though, right? He could have throw it away and lived to fight another day, he could have scrambled, he could have thrown it to another receiver, he could have audibled out, he could have taken a sack....etc. Many things he could have done but he chose to make that throw because that is who he is as a player. He's going to try and make plays. 

I didn't think it was a terribly designed play, it just didn't work out. 

That play just irks me.  

He stacked 4 WR options to the left...and then drug a 5th one left with a shallow cross.  They rushed 4.  That put everyone that wasn't a lineman into the left side of the field/endzone and we threw into that.    Windows are tight enough at the goalline as is.   Just seems like a pointlessly bad position to put a dude making his first start in. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Could have had Winston for a ham sandwich in comparison. Hell, could have kept Kyle Allen for even less.

I don't necessarily fault the staff for making the choice that they did, I am just bitterly disappointed in how underwhelming Teddy has been at times. He has elements of being an elite game manager but then he just isn't consistent enough. It would be easy to blame it on supporting cast but that hasn't been the case in all of his poor performances.

The protection aspect of his supporting cast has wildly varied between half decent and hot, stinky, steaming ass, largely dependent on whether Russell Okung was healthy or not.

Losing McCaffrey definitely hurt. Don't think anybody could deny that. Tight end is not-existent. Anderson and Samuel have been good though.

The one big enigma is DJ Moore. He's good, but he and Bridgewater can't seem to get on the same page.

 

[MechaZain]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's within the system, though.

Playing in our offense, you kind of expect that.

A checkdown system tailor made for Brady's franchise QB

[kungfoodude]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The protection aspect of his supporting cast has wildly varied between half decent and hot, stinky, steaming ass, largely dependent on whether Russell Okung was healthy or not.

Losing McCaffrey definitely hurt. Don't think anybody could deny that. Tight end is not-existent. Anderson and Samuel have been good though.

The one big enigma is DJ Moore. He's good, but he and Bridgewater can't seem to get on the same page.

 

This is the best protection statistically that Bridgewater has ever had.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 hours ago, joemac said:

Teddy is their guy insomuch that he was the best QB available last off season, and we desperately needed someone who could at least start and not poo the bed each week.  I believe that if one of the top flight QBs is available in the draft that we will be all over him, and Teddy 2 Gloves will soon be a memory.

Teddy’s 3 year contract argues strongly against this having been their plan at the time. You don’t plan to pay a guy 21 mil to start one year, another 21 mil to mentor a rookie his 2nd year, and 21 mil more in dead cap hit when you cut him or pay 21 mil for a backup qb.

I agree that they might have considered Teddy the best option at the time, but they were clearly not planning to draft his replacement this year.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This is the best protection statistically that Bridgewater has ever had.

See, this is another of those areas where stats fail to tell the story.

Watching the games, you can see Bridgewater getting rid of the ball a fraction of a second before he's about to get pasted. Stats will tell you that the line did a good job of protecting him, but it's not true.

Hell, if you went by stats, you might think Greg Little was a good tackle. In fact, there were people using that exact argument for him earlier in the year.