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NO TO WATSON, NO TO STAFFORD.... YOU WIN THROUGH THE DRAFT

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Super Bowl Winners per season

1991- Giants (Hostetler was drafted)

1992-  Redskins (Rypien was drafted)

1993 and 1994- Cowboys (Aikman was drafted)

1995- 49ers (Young had been with the 49ers for 8 years prior to winning SB, was a long standing Montana backup)

1996- Packers (for all intent purposes Favre was Packers, can't count his ATL year)

1997-1998- Broncos (Elway, technically drafted by Colts but he was a Bronco)

1999- Rams (Warner, 28 year old who was grossly underseen and caught lightning in a bottle)

2000- Ravens (Dilfer, 28 year old signed to backup T. Banks, was brought in to manage the offense)

2001- Patriots (Brady, drafted)

2002- Bucs (Johnson, 34 year old free agent who guided a studded defense)

2003- Patriots (Brady, drafted)

2004- Patriots (Brady, drafted)

2005- Steelers (Roethlisberger, drafted)

2006- Colts (Manning, drafted)

2007- Giants (Manning, drafted)

2008- Steelers (Roethlisberger, drafted)

2009- Saints (Brees, 30 year old FA who was supposedly busted due to a shoulder)

2010- Packers (Rogers, drafted)

2011- Giants (Manning, drafted)

2012- Ravens (Flacco, drafted)

2013- Seahwawks (Wilson, drafted)

2014- Patriots (Brady, drafted)

2015- Broncos (Manning, free agent signing, rode an impressive defense and Roger Goodell)

2016- Patriots (Brady, drafted)

2017- Eagles (Wentz led them and was drafted, Foles won the game)

2018- Patriots (Brady, drafted)

2019- Chiefs (Mahomes, drafted)

 

With the rarity free agents like Brees, Brad Johnson, Dilfer or Warner, if you want to win the big one you don't trade for a soon to be 33 player like Stafford or give up a kings ransom for Watson. You get there by nailing it in the draft

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probably would be better to remove Tom Brady entirely and then lay out your evidence discussing only recent history.  Not sure going back to the early 90s holds much weight.  Too much different back then.   

Brady is a football anomaly that skews and distorts so much.  

Not just the NFL, but we are entering a new era of professional sports.  Superstar athletes behave different and view things differently now.   So I would imagine things to some extent will skew more to what 2020 Tom Brady represents than the Patriot Brady you noted going forward.   In 1990, a QB wouldn't be doing what Watson is doing currently.   Could argue the Lions wouldn't be doing what they are doing now either as teams built themselves differently and developed QBs slower. 

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12 minutes ago, CRA said:

probably would be better to remove Tom Brady entirely and then lay out your evidence discussing only recent history.  Not sure going back to the early 90s holds much weight.  Too much different back then.   

Brady is a football anomaly that skews and distorts so much.  

Not just the NFL, but we are entering a new era of professional sports.  Superstar athletes behave different and view things differently now.   So I would imagine things to some extent will skew more to what 2020 Tom Brady represents than the Patriot Brady you noted going forward.   In 1990, a QB wouldn't be doing what Watson is doing currently.   Could argue the Lions wouldn't be doing what they are doing now either as teams built themselves differently and developed QBs slower. 

one more thought to add to this...

another reason I think it will start to skew more to a 2020 Tom Brady is that because of rule changes and how long QBs can play because of it and other factors.    So Brady goes to Tampa.  Peyton goes to Denver.  Rivers goes to Indy.  I think more and more big names that would have retired with a team earlier years ago... play for other teams going forward. 

 

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

one more thought to add to this...

another reason I think it will start to skew more to a 2020 Tom Brady is that because of rule changes and how long QBs can play because of it and other factors.    So Brady goes to Tampa.  Peyton goes to Denver.  Rivers goes to Indy.  I think more and more big names that would have retired with a team earlier years ago... play for other teams going forward. 

 

Montana went to the Chiefs

Flacco went to the Broncos

Vick went to the Eagles

Cousins went to the Vikings

Favre went to the Vikings

Palmer went to the Raiders

Cam went to the Pats

Big name QBs have gone to other teams with limited to no success

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1 minute ago, TheBigKat said:

Montana went to the Chiefs

Flacco went to the Broncos

Vick went to the Eagles

Cousins went to the Vikings

Favre went to the Vikings

Palmer went to the Raiders

Cam went to the Pats

Big name QBs have gone to other teams with limited to no success

But do you really think Watson would come home and not succeed?

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5 minutes ago, BrianS said:

If you want to lessen the Brady effect, just look at BOTH QB's in each SB.  Think of it like this:  If you get to the SB, there's a 50/50 chance you win it.  Those SB "losers" got their team there and gave them a chance.  That's all you can ask for.

2001- could have been Warner

2003- could have been Delhomme

2004- could have been McNabb (Drafted)

2005- could have been Russell (drafted)

2016- could have been Ryan (drafted)

2018- could have been Goff (drafted)

 

Even if "the other team" beat the Pats in their SB wins drafted QBs still outpaced FA/traded QBs

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9 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

Montana went to the Chiefs

Flacco went to the Broncos

Vick went to the Eagles

Cousins went to the Vikings

Favre went to the Vikings

Palmer went to the Raiders

Cam went to the Pats

Big name QBs have gone to other teams with limited to no success

as I said, league is changing.  You got to factor that in and it makes a comparisons to different eras irrelevant IMO.   QBs play longer.  Teams don't take as long to develop and play drafted guys.  That is going to create new scenarios that simply didn't exist in years past. 

Look at other sports, how many teams did Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc win titles with.   Superstars essentially got married to a city and build their legacy there.    Players don't care about that anymore.  Lebron gonna win titles with how many different teams? 

In the past, players went to other teams because franchises were ready to move on.  Going forward we are going to see superstar players dictating they are the ones ready to move on.   We are seeing that in numerous sports. 

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7 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

Montana went to the Chiefs

Flacco went to the Broncos

Vick went to the Eagles

Cousins went to the Vikings

Favre went to the Vikings

Palmer went to the Raiders

Cam went to the Pats

Big name QBs have gone to other teams with limited to no success

Cousins, Favre, Palmer, Vick all took other teams to the playoffs though.   And again, they all represent recent history.  

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