Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

June Jones jumps on the Mac Jones train

panthers55

By panthers55,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

OldhamA Grand Master

OldhamA

Posted
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

And he was a backup to Tua and Jalen Hurts(although he was technically a redshirt).

As of 9pm on Saturday 13 March the starting QBs for the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles, respectively. 

Edited by OldhamA
Link to comment
Share on other sites
WOW!! Grand Master

WOW!!

Posted
Posted

My problem is after years of seeing what the difference is in having a QB with elite skills and QB without.. How can some people here want to go back to the latter??

Love Jake to death but every year had to be dam near perfect to make the playoffs.. Great running game, great WR'S , good Oline... And still we were the Cardiac Cats..

While Cam with a little of help could blow teams out the water and take sub par talent to a super bowl..

Link to comment
Share on other sites
WOW!! Grand Master

WOW!!

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

As of 9pm on Saturday 13 March the starting QBs for the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles, respectively. 

With big questions marks around both..

Guess who ain't got question The Chargers and other teams that went for natural talent not intangibles..

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
  • Author
Posted
On 3/12/2021 at 5:25 PM, kungfoodude said:

That's kind of you just picking a guy, though. Scouts and evaluators don't always agree with what they like in a prospect.

Simms is a very educated opinion on the matter but there are other educated opinions that don't consider him the level of prospect that Simms does.

The issue with Jones isn't that he is a "bad" prospect, he just doesn't have enough elite attributes to be able to easily succeed unless his processing is elite(which some including Simms say it is) and he is in a system that works well for what he can do. Something suited for a guy like Chad Pennington and not Pat Mahomes or Deshaun Watson.

People look at Jones and forget he only started this past season. Why is his current performance indicative of his potential? Can  a guy get more athletic with training? Can they get stronger or even faster. (Within reason of course). He may never be considered athletic but those who think what you see is all you get are way underselling his potential 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Catsfan69 Grand Master

Catsfan69

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

People look at Jones and forget he only started this past season. Why is his current performance indicative of his potential? Can  a guy get more athletic with training? Can they get stronger or even faster. (Within reason of course). He may never be considered athletic but those who think what you see is all you get are way underselling his potential 

He has no potential. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
  • Author
Posted
On 3/12/2021 at 1:44 PM, ncfan said:

On no Planet is he “on target than anyone else out there.”

 

I’ll take Daniel Jeremiah all day over him.  And even then I’ll take a few others certain times.

 

I can’t help you if you believe that take on Lance.  Honestly, if Simms came out tomorrow and said Will Grier was better than any QB in this class, you’d probably slurp that right up.

If he had said Grier was good then his credibility might be tarnished but he didn't. Which is why I listen to him. He is one of the few that is right a lot more than he is wrong. I didn't say Lance is a bust simply he is the biggest gamble among the top 5 or 6 QBs. Which is what drops him to the second round. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

People look at Jones and forget he only started this past season. Why is his current performance indicative of his potential? Can  a guy get more athletic with training? Can they get stronger or even faster. (Within reason of course). He may never be considered athletic but those who think what you see is all you get are way underselling his potential 

Eh......yes he is just a one year guy but I don't know that I would peg him as a prospect I would expect to have much in terms of ceiling. Reasonably high floor(probably solid journeyman backup QB level) to fairly low ceiling(Chad Pennington, Case Keenum ish) starter in the NFL. 

Could he be Brees? Eh.....maybe, but that seems like taking a pretty big gamble on him being the outlier. 

I think that is the thing that makes him a polarizing prospect. Some see that he seems to have a grasp for some of the more nuanced aspects of the position and then the rest will see the very obvious physical/skill limitations. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
  • Author
Posted
22 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh......yes he is just a one year guy but I don't know that I would peg him as a prospect I would expect to have much in terms of ceiling. Reasonably high floor(probably solid journeyman backup QB level) to fairly low ceiling(Chad Pennington, Case Keenum ish) starter in the NFL. 

Could he be Brees? Eh.....maybe, but that seems like taking a pretty big gamble on him being the outlier. 

I think that is the thing that makes him a polarizing prospect. Some see that he seems to have a grasp for some of the more nuanced aspects of the position and then the rest will see the very obvious physical/skill limitations. 

He isn't polarizing like Lance or some other prospect. He is a proven winner who did everything asked of him. I don't think he has many physical limitations given that athleticism is down the list of necessary attributes for a QB.  There are many guys who have been successful who weren't physical specimens. Plus I think that Jones is likely working in these issues as we speak. And these supposed issues are not as great as some would suggest. For example he throws a good consistent deep ball and can make all the throws.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/alabama/.amp/bamacentral/deep-ball-specialist-mac-jones-perfecting-art-of-the-long-touchdown-blackwell

Link to comment
Share on other sites
WOW!! Grand Master

WOW!!

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

He isn't polarizing like Lance or some other prospect. He is a proven winner who did everything asked of him. I don't think he has many physical limitations given that athleticism is down the list of necessary attributes for a QB.  There are many guys who have been successful who weren't physical specimens. Plus I think that Jones is likely working in these issues as we speak. And these supposed issues are not as great as some would suggest. For example he throws a good consistent deep ball and can make all the throws.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/alabama/.amp/bamacentral/deep-ball-specialist-mac-jones-perfecting-art-of-the-long-touchdown-blackwell

Athleticism is down on your list of QB attributes... Not most of the people watching football the last 10 years...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • MHS831
      Disturbing

      By MHS831 · Posted

      I can say that I have defended Canales because I get that they are doing all they can to keep from looking like idiots for drafting Bryce, from the trade up to signing $150m guards to drafting XL and Brooks etc---nothing seems to work.  And Hiring Canales was part of the Bryce Young rehab program, so so he can't really decide to "move on."  That has to come from Morgan and Tepper. Personally, I think Bryce is due for an injury.  He is small, he is not thick, and he has been a LOT more healthy than most any other QB has who has endured so much pressure.  The thing that bothers me is this---Bryce really does not go through his progressions quickly.  He locks on to his presnap read and stays locked onto him for too long--he seems to fail to anticipate the WR/TE's positioning on the play before the cut--for example, if the WR is running a dig and the CB has his back to the inside of the field, he should be open for a second or less just after the cut.  He seems to wait until the cut has been made before deciding, then checking down quickly while moving in the pocket. OL:  There seems to be a lack of communication--is that on Mays?  Watch this team presnap--they seem a bit confused at times.   I can almost predict the success rate of the play by watching the center and QB before the snap.  
    • KSpan
      Eric Collins Calling First NFL Game (ours)

      By KSpan · Posted

      Anyone else remember back in 2010 when Fox piloted having music under the in-game replays during one of Carolina's games? Not the commercial bumpers but the actual replay clips that the announcers would talk over. Pretty sure it was vs the 49ers. And it was terrible. Point being, Carolina continues being so bad that we get the networks trying things out during their games.
    • PleaseCutStewart
      Disturbing

      By PleaseCutStewart · Posted

      Is it bad I found this video more hilarious than pathetic? I am still laughing at that one play where half the people on the field ran into each other and Bryce still couldn't see Chuba wide open... Also laughing at Cade blocking nobody and somehow losing his cleat Man this offense is a poo show
×
×
  • Create New...