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ohhhhhhh boy. sounds like watson is getting traded. per jim trotter


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11 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

With an 0-8 record in games decided by one score or less, a simple regression to the mean would get us almost to .500 alone. The Panthers are a QB away, AS THE ROSTER IS NOW, from competing for a Super Bowl, period. 

Problem is what other VALUE are you giving up for Watson that equates to a net loss? The Panthers don't need 3 or 4 years. We just need someone competent in close games. 

Hell yes.  A real QB, in this offense, last year would have probably approached 5000 yards and had 35 TDs.  We were in nearly every single game until the end.  Teddy's bitch-assness single handedly killed us last year.  Everybody knows it.  The coaches damn sure know it.  Not saying were a QB away from setting the world on fire, but we are absolutely contenders if we land Watson as the roster stands now.

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11 minutes ago, joemac said:

Hell yes.  A real QB, in this offense, last year would have probably approached 5000 yards and had 35 TDs.  We were in nearly every single game until the end.  Teddy's bitch-assness single handedly killed us last year.  Everybody knows it.  The coaches damn sure know it.  Not saying were a QB away from setting the world on fire, but we are absolutely contenders if we land Watson as the roster stands now.

And there lies the rub. What do we lose by getting Watson versus waiting for the draft? Plenty of contenders in recent years with QB's on rookie deals. The trick is finding that guy. With the way the Panthers are now, I'd almost say a push for Wilson would be more prudent considering we could give up quite a bit less.

I also know the Panthers weren't a team he listed on his "No Trade Clause" waiver so who knows what would happen. 

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34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've never said I'm against it.

Things I have said:

- The Texans are morons and have handled this stupidly

- I'm not convinced it's going to happen, but acknowledge it might

- I question that he'll wind up here if it does

- I wouldn't want us to give up too much if he did

- I also don't want us to give up too much trading up in the draft either

That's pretty much it.

calm down big guy 

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34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've never said I'm against it.

Things I have said:

- The Texans are morons and have handled this stupidly

- I'm not convinced it's going to happen, but acknowledge it might

- I question that he'll wind up here if it does

- I wouldn't want us to give up too much if he did

- I also don't want us to give up too much trading up in the draft either

That's pretty much it.

So... you want to just hope a franchise QB falls into our laps with the 8th pick?

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1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

It could harm us for years.

It could also turn into the single greatest move in franchise history, depending on what Rhule & co can do with later round draft picks and others.

It is a massive gamble, but how many first round picks is one of the top 3 QBs in the league worth, do you think?  And how many first round picks are we willing to potentially "waste" before we land someone even close to that good?

If this year is any indication the QB carousel is not stopping anytime soon.  There will be other qbs available that no one saw coming "Aaron Rodgers?" I don't see Watson as the make or break trade situation many on here do.  

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1 hour ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

I started out believing he would not be traded. By a month ago I thought the odds were 50/50. I now believe a trade will happen 80/20. I hate to beat a dead horse but here goes. That WFT win just keeps taking “ a pound of flesh” from the Panthers. It is going to be rough to outbid the Jets and Dolphins. Make it happen. Liar’s poker awaits.

But the Jets and Dolphins have other options---so they will not give up too much to get him when they can get Wilson.  Miami trading Tua for Watson and a first rounder is a bit risky--but the Panthers are offering 3 first rounders.  They can trade with Carolina, get the 8th pick and maybe some players, and they can also trade the first rounders with Atlanta, for example,, and they would get Fields and Atlanta could move back age grab Jones (Ryan's replacement) or Fields or Mond....

So the Panthers are the only team in the top 8 who will go "all in".  Spoiler alert--watch Denver.

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Conspiracy theorist at work:

Did anyone find the timing of the press conferences yesterday a bit odd?  Praise Teddy, name him your QB, leak that CMC and Shaq are restructured, and then leave the stage without saying anything new?

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18 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

And there lies the rub. What do we lose by getting Watson versus waiting for the draft? Plenty of contenders in recent years with QB's on rookie deals. The trick is finding that guy. With the way the Panthers are now, I'd almost say a push for Wilson would be more prudent considering we could give up quite a bit less.

I also know the Panthers weren't a team he listed on his "No Trade Clause" waiver so who knows what would happen. 

Yea they was

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1 minute ago, Aquemini said:

So trade the farm so we get to pay Watson top QB money .. so he can tear his ACL for a third time behind our perennial trash line, K

Yeah, because you can predict when someone is going to tear a ligament. 

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2 hours ago, BurnNChinn said:

This is what I’ve been trying to tell anyone against it. You want to give up 8 pick for 4th best qb or move up to get 2nd or third best giving up two first and more picks for an unknown. Or give up some more for the real deal and be set for years, there is only one answer!

Both sides have risk.  Some people operate in a world where everything is black and white, hot and cold, etc. others understand various degrees of temperature and can function in that gray area.  There are a lot of variables.  All must be considered and nothing is guaranteed.

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