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Verge's Draft General thread 2021


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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I hear you, but in regards to the panthers I would prefer not to have this big of a project to hopefully take over the reigns post Teddy.

I wouldn't see Mond as a 1st round pick anyway. You take him in the 2nd and hope he absorbs the coaching he receives. He definitely has starting potential.

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5 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

"His decision making and pocket awareness makes me cringe at times".

What are the two most important aspects of playing QB again? I forget.

His pocket awareness has made me cringe at times, other times he shows great ability to sense and escape. His decision making needs work, as do most of the QB prospects in the draft. Both of which are very obviously fixable, and he showed growth in both areas meaning they are improving. He isn't oblivious a ton, but he has moments where these things escape him.

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3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Really starting to believe Fields will be the target.  Wilson is probably out of reach but maybe not.  Gotta get to 3 at least and will guarantee us Wilson or Fields.

I have Fields and Lance with virtually the same grade, I would be happy with either. 

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59 minutes ago, Verge said:

Let me dump my most recent positional rankings since it won't let me edit it into the original post, then I will get to some of your questions. @Ricky Spanish idk if you could unlock that edit feature or not, it would be extremely helpful for this post. 


QBs:
1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, CLE
2. Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
3. Justin Fields, QB, OHST
4. Trey Lance, QB, NDSU
5. Kellen Mond, QB, TAM

RBs:
1. Travis Etienne, RB, CLE
2. Najee Harris, RB, ALA
3. Javonte Williams, RB, UNC 
4. Kenny Gainwell, RB, MEM
5. Trey Sermon, RB, OHST 

WRs: 
1. JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 
2. Jaylen Waddle, WR, ALA

3. Devonta Smith, WR, ALA 
4. Kadarius Toney, WR, FLO
5. Rondale Moore, WR, PUR 

TEs: 
1-5. Kyle Pitts, TE/WR, FLO 
2. Brevin Jordan, TE, MIA 
3. Pat Freiermuth, TE, PEN
4. Hunter Long, TE, BC 
5. Tre McKitty, TE, GEO 

OT: 
1. Penei Sewell, OT, ORE
2. Christian Darrisaw, OT, VT
3. Alex Leatherwood, OT, ALA
4. Jalen Mayfield, OT, MICH
5. Alijah Vera-Tucker, OT/G, USC 

Interior O-line: 
1. Rashawn Slater, OT/G/C, NW
2. Alijah Vera-Tucker, OT/G, USC
3. Landon Dickerson, C/G, ALA
4. Wyatt Davis, G, OHST
5. Trey Smith, G, TEN (depending on medicals) 

Edge: 
1. Jaelan Philips, DE, MIA
2. Kwity Paye, DE, MICH 
3. Gregory Rousseau, DE, MIA 
4. Zaven Collins, EDGE, TUL
5. Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, GEO

Defensive Tackle:
1. Christian Barmore, DT, ALA
2. Levi Onwuzurike, DT, WAS
3. Jay Tufele, DT, USC
4. Daviyon Nixon, DT, IOW 
5. Marvin Wilson, DT, FST

LB:
1. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, OLB/ILB/S, ND 
2. Micah Parsons, ILB/OLB, PEN 
3. Jamin Davis, ILB/OLB, KEN 
4. Nick Bolton, ILB/OLB, MIZZ 
5. Jabril Cox, ILB/OLB, LSU 

S: 
1. Jevon Holland, S, ORE
2. Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU 
3. Tyree Gillespie, S, MIZZ 
4. Richie Grant, S, CF 
5. Hamsah Nasirildeen, S, FLST

CB: 
1. Jaycee Horn, CB, SC 
2. Patrick Surtain II., CB, ALA 
3. Caleb Farley, CB, VT 
4. Tyson Campbell, CB, GEO
5. Kelvin Joseph, CB, KEN

I'll update your OP for you homie

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Just now, Verge said:

Back injury popped up. This is combined with an already iffy injury history and skipping last year. 

Always hate that.

But yeah, it happens. Heck, my best friend growing up played quarterback from Pee Wee up through Junior High. By the time he went to the 9th grade, he'd already had arthroscopic surgery on both knees.

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    • Just chasing targets is a fools game. Chase averaged 85 yrds and .76 TDs per game his first year and 87.16 yrds, and .75 TD's per game his second year. Statistically the same. NOT an improvement. Puka saw no increase either. Yes, Waddle's went down because he had to share targets with another receiver - just like TMac will have to share targets with Coker next year so you have actually just made my point concerning Coker. Olave saw an increase in targets but Carr replaced Dalton and even with the increase in targets, his production was pretty flat (83 extra yards and 1 more TD for the entire year). And Wilson's number did increase but the Jets replaced the other two receivers and their contribution was significantly down from Davis's and Moore's. Again, nothing in those numbers should lead anyone to believe there will be a big leap for Tmac next year.       
    • See my previous post. You're also leaving out that T-Mac was likely hitting a rookie wall, like 95% of rookies do late in their first season, combined with the added attention on him by defenses, which in turn would be why Bryce looked Coker's way down the stretch.  With Coker playing like that to start next year, defenses will have to pay attention to it, which will then also make things easier for T-Mac. All of which is also ignoring that T-Mac will just be a better player next year than he was this year, assuming he works on his game this offseason, which we all know he will be.  If a player who was already your clear cut #1 comes back even better his next season, you're going to make sure you're throwing it his way more often, no matter who else you have. Again, Coker's added targets won't be at the expense of T-Mac's, they will BOTH be taking targets from the rest of the team.  Not to mention, we should be passing it more next year to begin with, seeing as we'll have both of them hopefully ready to go full speed Week 1, which again, will help both their target totals increase. Coker looks like a really good player, but even the most optimistic person can't say he looks like he has #1 potential, he has very solid to maybe even high end #2 potential.  You're not taking targets away from the reigning OROY who looks like a true Top 15 WR already to get your #2 targets, you increase both of them by taking from the others.
    • Need to crush the hawks tonight. A lose would really damage momentum 
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