Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Getzenberg looks at the left tackle options


Mr. Scot
 Share

Recommended Posts

Also, we have to look at who are serious contenders to take over Moton's spot at RT. Moton is going to expect top dollar in the marketplace and he may very well get it. I don't see us mortgaging the farm for a RT if we couldn't put more than a 3rd round draft pick into play for a very, very needed LT.

Also, I wouldn't be so sure that Trent Scott won't be the starting LT at the beginning of the season. Erving has the pedigree but Scott performed remarkably well for us when called on... better than Okung or anyone else we've had there for a while.

We've invested a bit in Erving, but if he looks too banged up to hold down the spot, there might be an injury settlement and a release. If he lives up to his old first round drafting, then we have a bargain there and Scott might have to take over for Moton next season.

 

Edited by Khyber53
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'd love to see if Little has improved any after a year in the system and a full offseason to think about his lack of success in 2020.  Ultimately I think he'll be our other post June 1 cut: 1m dead in each 2021 and 2022.

I'm actually a little surprised they didn't "Boston" him already.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Also, we have to look at who are serious contenders to take over Moton's spot at RT. Moton is going to expect top dollar in the marketplace and he may very well get it. I don't see us mortgaging the farm for a RT if we couldn't put more than a 3rd round draft pick into play for a very, very needed LT.

Also, I wouldn't be so sure that Trent Scott won't be the starting LT at the beginning of the season. Erving has the pedigree but Scott performed remarkably well for us when called on... better than Okung or anyone else we've had there for a while.

We've invested a bit in Erving, but if he looks too banged up to hold down the spot, there might be an injury settlement and a release. If he lives up to his old first round drafting, then we have a bargain there and Scott might have to take over for Moton next season.

 

Nah, there was a clear drop off from Okung to Scott. We can hate on Okung all we want but he was the best LT we have had since Gross.

Scott did pretty well for what he was. I do think there is a good chance he wins that job if the new guys aren't an upgrade. He wasn't great but he held his own enough. Not a guy I would want as a long term starter but I could see him as a long term depth guy for certain.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Good article. I like the thought process on wanting versatility, especially as the league transitions to an 18 game schedule(all but an inevitability IMO). Injuries and having quality depth are going to get more magnified the more games are added. That was actually why I was shocked they didn't take Slater at 8. 

I definitely don't see any long term answers at LT on our roster currently but hopefully we won't be in the kind of shape we were last season when Okung went down. That goes with the OL as a whole. Those injuries along the OL really started to hurt a lot the deeper into the depth chart we had to go.

I don't think our starting OL will be appreciably better this season but at least we won't have that cliff like drop off we had last when the bench guys started to play. That was rough.

I had to emotionally adjust when we took Horn and not Slater, and I was also shocked that we did not trade back--possibly taking Slater or Darrisaw with Fields on the board.  However, I can say this with some degree of confidence-would we be talking about CB now if we had not taken one of the 2 true elite CBs.  I mentioned before the draft (rather reluctantly, I might add) that I felt we HAD to take a shut down, press CB based on the data (71% completion rate outside the numbers, 31st in the league in getting off the field on third down, etc.) We had Scott and Erving on the roster, so it really seemed to me that we were targeting Surtain or Horn (I thought Surtain, to be honest).

Edited by MHS831
  • Pie 2
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 hours ago, BurnNChinn said:

Little will not make this team, what a wasted pick I even told people when they said he could be first rd pick. Wow that would have been horrendous, so glad Hurney is gone!

Just another horrible pick by Hurney. He also picked Little over some really good talent.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I had to emotionally adjust when we took Horn and not Slater, and I was also shocked that we did not trade back--possibly taking Slater or Darrisaw with Fields on the board.  However, I can say this with some degree of confidence-would we be talking about CB now if we had not taken one of the 2 true elite CBs.  I mentioned before the draft (rather reluctantly, I might add) that I felt we HAD to take a shut down, press CB based on the data (71% completion rate outside the numbers, 31st in the league in getting off the field on third down, etc.) We had Scott and Erving on the roster, so it really seemed to me that we were targeting Surtain or Horn (I thought Surtain, to be honest).

Yeah and perhaps they don't value OL as much as we do. And also perhaps they didn't view Slater as an elite LT prospect.

I was upset initially but I think we are gonna end up with a good player. The long term question of whether it was the correct choice is for another day.

In the meantime, I look forward to seeing Horn develop and possibly become another top 10-15 CB, which we have been lucky enough to have a few of in the past 15 years.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah and perhaps they don't value OL as much as we do. And also perhaps they didn't view Slater as an elite LT prospect.

I was upset initially but I think we are gonna end up with a good player. The long term question of whether it was the correct choice is for another day.

In the meantime, I look forward to seeing Horn develop and possibly become another top 10-15 CB, which we have been lucky enough to have a few of in the past 15 years.

If you look at the team stats from last season, I think Carolina's draft logic becomes more clear.

As chaotic as they were, the Panthers OL was middle of the road (18th) in sacks allowed for 2020.   You want to improve on that but it's not a glaring weakness for the team.

However the defense was ranked 31st in 3rd down completions last season.  So Carolina was basically one of the very worst in the NFL for getting opposing teams off of the field.  

I think that poor 3rd down ranking encouraged Fitterer/Rhule to go CB with the first pick.  The choice  became even more attractive when they could get one of the very top defenders in the draft who was battle tested in the SEC.  And Horn also had off-the-charts athleticism which would allow the defensive coordinator to scheme press coverage more often.  That's especially important in the pass-happy NFC South.  

The BPA philosophy and Carolina's team needs pretty much aligned at pick #8 for the selection of Horn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Okung.... I mean if not for Scott Finesser and him missing half the games last year, bring him back. He would be the starter if he signed today. I just dont see how after Seahawks got rid of him and missing 9 games that helps the case for a return. I bet he wants 10+ million too, that would also be a issue. 

 

Plus how badass would it be if Little was a legit LT.....this team would give any other teams problems for the next 10 years. 

 

I seen Erving recently, he looks thin, but in shape. He could shock everyone and give the Panthers 17 games of high level LT play. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Oh, the high expectations after a draft. Keep your expectations low, people. Darin Gantt's latest "Ask The Old Guy" gives life to one of those lessons about pro football reality as a fan: "Rasheed Walker was a three-year starter at left tackle for the Packers, so Freeling is going to have to work. Hunter's got another big 'un in front of him in Bobby Brown III and a different kind of defensive tackle in Tershawn Wharton. Chris Brazzell II's got a lot of traffic at his position. Zakee Wheatley has to be better than the chronically underappreciated Nick Scott, and Sam Hecht is a fifth-round rookie at the hardest position on the line to play, who probably doesn't have immediate positional flexibility, and a solid free agent addition in Luke Fortner in front of him. "Fans generally love their draft class as soon as it arrives, because there is no evidence to the contrary yet. Once guys get on the field, the reality begins to creep in, and the seasoned among you remember that if you get three or four good players out of a draft, that was an amazing draft." https://www.panthers.com/news/ask-the-old-guy-things-looking-up-after-the-draft-monroe-freeling-luke-kuechly-bryce-young-derrick-brown Don't get crazy. Winning the draft (or the offseason BTW) on paper always leads to good feelings and great expectations, especially when you seemingly succeeded the season before, but let's remember that the Panthers are very much a work in progress. Team building takes time. If we get a couple of starters out of the draft, it's a good draft, but three or four would be an amazing draft, and anything more than that is actually sensational--even if entails a few multiple high end rotational players along with three starters. Moreover, kind of within that same vein, the coaches have to let the kids off the chain. Remember the coach-speak of past coaches about competition that is anything but because coaches have their notions about veteran experience? Not saying that they're necessarily wrong, but sometimes I think their reluctance to put the young guys out there is based somewhat in dogma or possibly fear because big stakes are on the line (e.g., their jobs). It can be frustrating to say the least, but the coaches are supposed to know best. Again, I say all of this so that we can remember to temper expectations and keep them within the realm of reality. It's like telling your mind to think of it as something akin to under-promising and over-delivering. Leave room to be pleasantly surprised for the best case scenario, but be cognizant that that rarely happens. I would think at this point, most of us should be able to recognize growth when we see it, and sometimes that growth doesn't manifest itself in the form of immediate supremacy, but a setting of the stage for long term dominance for years to come. It seems like we're on track for an emergence by 2028 or 2029. We still have huge questions, but by 2029, hopefully we will take our seat at the table of the perennial contenders in the NFL.  
    • You’re playing madden we’re talking real football stuff…. He does have you seen his special on internet he def thinks he’s getting paid 
    • Without the team having an identity kinda hard to predict what they value.  They either are really trying to build a balanced team, or preparing for another swing at qb if Bryce doesn’t pan out. Seems like we value the o line but the $ spent there has been underwhelming besides Lewis, you could say it’s because of injuries but still hasn’t been worth the investment. as already stated, the whole handling of Bryce young as a whole has been ass backwards, we spent the years we’re supposed to take advantage of having a qb with a lower cap hit, building the team up to be adequate. now It appears, key word appears, the saints have done it correctly, which is painful to even think about. Regardless, I hope the front office has paid attention to qb contracts recently, such as Tua, Kyler, Daniel jones(pre colts) and don’t settle for subpar qb play at franchise qb rates    
×
×
  • Create New...