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Panthers Cap Space (This Season) After Moton Deal


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13 hours ago, stbugs said:

I really hope we aren’t stupid enough to go for it again. Save the cap, roll it over and spend it on DJ, Burns, etc. and whatever’s left can go to a splurge when we are actually competing for a title. I want to see Darnold improve before wasting anymore like we did in 2019/2020.

Exactly, pass rushers are by far one of the most important positions in the game and we will have to pay Burns in a couple years.  I would also love keeping DJ Moore.  He’s performed so well with trash at QB, this guy can be a league leader in stats with better QB play.  

We’ve been laughably bad at retaining quality homegrown talent, so I’m a believer that the Moton deal was a sign of good things to come.  

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12 hours ago, thefuzz said:

We think we know what they are looking for, but very well may not.

Maybe they think this division is about to turn.  Maybe they look at our weapons and hopefully a better O Line and want to play here, maybe Rodgers really wants to play for Brady and Rhule.

I'm just saying that it's a possibility that one of them could be here, especially after we tried like hell for Stafford.  This ain't your daddy's Carolina Panthers.

Son, is that you? I don't think the Panthers are quite old enough for you to keep using that phrase. Most people here watched game 1. Not everyone of course but it's kind of like saying this isn't your dad's Sponge Bob Square Pants.

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10 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

Can someone please explain Matt Paradis's contract? Is he on the team for 2022? Can someone please explain. I think we would be paying him to not be on the team? Would we likely extend him to play in 2022 if we are already paying him? If someone could explain that would be AMAZING! Thanks!

Paradis is gone in 2022.

We converted 7ish million of base salary this year into bonus in order to spread the cap hit over two years, albeit two years he is not on the team.  I'm guessing the thinking was that this year our cap is in bad shape due to Luke, Teddy, etc.  We needed the 4 million in relief.  The next couple years our cap looks way better, and so by spreading 4 million over each of those years we have a lower impact on our ability to field a good team.

 

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46 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Paradis is gone in 2022.

We converted 7ish million of base salary this year into bonus in order to spread the cap hit over two years, albeit two years he is not on the team.  I'm guessing the thinking was that this year our cap is in bad shape due to Luke, Teddy, etc.  We needed the 4 million in relief.  The next couple years our cap looks way better, and so by spreading 4 million over each of those years we have a lower impact on our ability to field a good team.

 

That’s not how it works. The entire 9.2M hits in 2022. Unless they resign him to another 3-4 yr contract. Those are void years. They cancel after the season. 

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23 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

The Carolina Panthers cut it pretty close, but they were able to work out a new long-term contract with their star right tackle Taylor Moton just before the franchise tag deadline.

If a deal had not been struck, Moton would have played under the tag and counted $13,754,000 against the cap, the highest amount on the roster. Instead, Moton signed a four-year, $72 million deal, deservedly making him one of the highest-paid tackles in the NFL. The move also saved the Panthers a good chunk of salary cap space for the 2021 season.

According to updated figures at Over the Cap, Carolina now has a little over$24 million in cap space – $10 million more than before the Moton deal.

While there’s not a whole lot of options left on the market, that’s more than enough to go out and address a couple of the team’s biggest roster hole before the games begin. Signing a proven left tackle and a free safety should be at the top of the list.

 

Link: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/18/how-much-cap-space-do-the-panthers-have-after-taylor-motons-megadeal/

 

With saving approx. $10 million and putting us at about $24 million in current cap for this season, who do you think the Panthers will try to bring in if anyone? I've seen articles suggesting a LB (Vander from cowboys, would be a trade situation I believe), CB (already brought in veteran FA clinton dix), and S (suggestions from articles included FA hooker & vaccaro). 

did we actually sign dix or just work him out? I don't think we signed him. Dix also isn't a CB.

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Just now, stbugs said:

Yep, but that 9.2M is already in our cap projections.

Yes. But the team is not getting anything from it. It’s the same as dead money. It’s gone. There is no difference. You have 9.2M to account for and no C. What is the difference? 

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Yes. But the team is not getting anything from it. It’s the same as dead money. It’s gone. There is no difference. You have 9.2M to account for and no C. What is the difference? 

Oh, I agree although we already got it. We’ll have paid him $29M and only accounted for $20M. We overspent because we knew we’d get an injured year. I’m just saying that our cap picture is still solid even with that all in 2022. Some folks before had thought that the voided years weren’t counted yet. Seeing as how our cap space is $24M, it really doesn’t matter if we accounted for the $9M this year or in 2022. We’d either roll over $15M with no Paradis cap hit or roll over $24M with a $9M Paradis cap hit.

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2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Oh, I agree although we already got it. We’ll have paid him $29M and only accounted for $20M. We overspent because we knew we’d get an injured year. I’m just saying that our cap picture is still solid even with that all in 2022. Some folks before had thought that the voided years weren’t counted yet. Seeing as how our cap space is $24M, it really doesn’t matter if we accounted for the $9M this year or in 2022. We’d either roll over $15M with no Paradis cap hit or roll over $24M with a $9M Paradis cap hit.

Yes. It’s just like any restructure. And Paradis is being cut and the 9.2M is gone. This is just a way to make this years hit as little as possible. 

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23 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Yes. It’s just like any restructure. And Paradis is being cut and the 9.2M is gone. This is just a way to make this years hit as little as possible. 

I’m not sure Paradis is actually released as there’s no new money in the deal and the years are instantly voided with no way to keep him (he’ll be an UFA so we could re-sign him). I think this is just the Saints trick although with $24M in rollover it ended up not being necessary. It might mess up any potential comp picks but I’m not sure about that. I’m assuming we did that just in case we needed space if we got Stafford or Watson but now it’s meaningless.

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2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I’m not sure Paradis is actually released as there’s no new money in the deal and the years are instantly voided with no way to keep him (he’ll be an UFA so we could re-sign him). I think this is just the Saints trick although with $24M in rollover it ended up not being necessary. It might mess up any potential comp picks but I’m not sure about that. I’m assuming we did that just in case we needed space if we got Stafford or Watson but now it’s meaningless.

I mean like being cut after a restructure, ala KK should have been earlier and finally was. He’s not cut. His contract is over. Curious how they work with comp picks myself. If they are eligible still, it helps. 

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7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I mean like being cut after a restructure, ala KK should have been earlier and finally was. He’s not cut. His contract is over. Curious how they work with comp picks myself. If they are eligible still, it helps. 

Yeah, this is a weird type of restructuring because there’s no real change to the deal or player because you aren’t paying them a restructuring bonus, it’s the last year. Short’s restructure actually changed how much he received, hence the extra $4M in total cap space we lost if we hadn’t restructured (dumb all around, especially wasting an extra $13M last year). In this case no change to what Paradis gets as it’s the last year, just a change to a “bonus” with extra instant voidable years to push cap space out of this year.

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