Matt Rhule after SECOND Joint Practice with the Colts

[frankw]

47 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Blamed for what, exactly?

Inheriting a talent depleted roster and making us a tough out ever week?

He gets credit for guiding the team through some close games but that goodwill will only last for so long. You are what your record says and we were 5-11 and won just a single divisional matchup. Now Rhule and his new gm have made their choices for the roster and they have to live with the result. Nobody will want to hear excuses about the oline because this has been ongoing for years it didn't happen overnight. Even if it's unfair expectations are part of sports there are some fans here who can't handle that but it has been happening with every team everywhere for years. It's a business and results are what matters not speeches not how you handle the media or how good your players look in shorts in overedited clips. Rhule will bask in all the glory of a successful coach if he achieves what he was brought here for and he is already set for life.

[iamhubby1]

43 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

For another losing season. He's the coach. It's the same if he coaches the team to a winning season this year. Then he gets the credit. It's the nature of the game.

 

Very few people are going to blame Rhule for last years record.

 

In fact, he was roundly praised for how well the season went under the circumstances he faced.

Edited August 14, 2021 by iamhubby1

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So we need PJ to get the hell beat out of him but Sam busted in NY because he got the hell beat out of him?

Wellllll....okay......sort of.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Blamed for what, exactly?

Inheriting a talent depleted roster and making us a tough out ever week?

Spending 80-100M to turn a 4-12 team into a 5-11 team would be the first question. Think that amount could help the OL issues? 

  Picking up Darnold’s 5th year option for no logical reason would be next. 

[jayboogieman]

27 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Very few people are going to blame Rhule for last years record.

 

In fact, he was roundly praised for how well the season went under the circumstances he faced.

Results, wins and losses, are the only thing that matters. And like POTUS, the coach gets the credit and blame. Last season was another losing one.

[SizzleBuzz]

6 hours ago, SBBlue said:

Darnold will not play Sunday...

WTF?

[iamhubby1]

22 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Results, wins and losses, are the only thing that matters. And like POTUS, the coach gets the credit and blame. Last season was another losing one.

 

lol

[SBBlue]

34 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Spending 80-100M to turn a 4-12 team into a 5-11 team would be the first question. Think that amount could help the OL issues? 

  Picking up Darnold’s 5th year option for no logical reason would be next. 

First, it was 5-11 to 5-11.

Second, Tepper felt Rhule didn't even have some input Hurney's financial and staff decisions.   When Tepper fired Hurney, the reason was because he didn't listen to Rhule:

"You look at successful organizations, and there's a certain alignment between the head coach and the GM," Tepper said. "To think that you can do that without some sort of alignment is nuts. So to not have a head coach with some input into that is stupid."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30572361/carolina-panthers-part-ways-gm-marty-hurney

Third, the deadline to exercise Darnold's 5th year option was May 3rd 2021.  He would be more expensive if we didn't.    Darnold's cap hit this year is 4.7M and next year 18.8.  That's a starting QB for about 12M a year.
21 fifth-year options picked up for 2018 first-round picks - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

Fourth, we are currently sitting on 24M in cap space.  Money is not why we are not investing further into the offensive line.  

Edited August 14, 2021 by SBBlue

[iamhubby1]

36 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

Wellllll....okay......sort of.

 

Imagination. It's a heckofadrug.

[jayboogieman]

22 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

lol

Laugh if you want, but coaches don't get fired for not building a culture, being liked by their players, or being hated. They keep their jobs based off winning and losing.

[iamhubby1]

3 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Laugh if you want, but coaches don't get fired for not building a culture, being liked by their players, or being hated. They keep their jobs based off winning and losing.

 

That has nothing to do with your original assertion that Rhule deserves credit for last years team. You are too rigid in your assessment of how this works.

[SBBlue]

Just now, jayboogieman said:

Laugh if you want, but coaches don't get fired for not building a culture, being liked by their players, or being hated. They keep their jobs based off winning and losing.

I agree.
  
The drum beat for firing Rhule is banging awful loud after one season....a season where we were more competitive than many anticipated.  Tepper was so pleased he fired Hurney because Marty wouldn't listen to Rhule.  I know there are lot of butthurt people who didn't get the players they wanted in the offseason, but lets have this discussion when we know our record, rather than assuming or hoping that we suck.

 

[jayboogieman]

4 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

That has nothing to do with your original assertion that Rhule deserves credit for last years team. You are too rigid in your assessment of how this works.

Winning and losing has everything to do with Rhule getting the blame for last season. He's the coach. Ultimate credit and blame fall on the coach. Do you think Tepper will keep paying him year after year if he doesn't get the team winning? Last season was strike one. It'll be interesting to see how many strikes Tepper gives him.

Edited August 14, 2021 by jayboogieman

[jayboogieman]

3 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I agree.
  
The drum beat for firing Rhule is banging awful loud after one season....a season where we were more competitive than many anticipated.  Tepper was so pleased he fired Hurney because Marty wouldn't listen to Rhule.  I know there are lot of butthurt people who didn't get the players they wanted in the offseason, but lets have this discussion when we know our record, rather than assuming or hoping that we suck.

 

I'm not beating a drum to fire the man after one year. Though I do think part of the blame is on him for last season. If he had final say on the roster decisions as was rumored, then he shares more than just part of the responsibility for it being another losing season.