Grier or PJ

[Cdparr7]

If Grier outplays PJ again Friday and doesn’t earn the job I’ll lose a lot of respect for Rhule.

However if PJ outplays Grier or it’s reasonably even I would understand but still disagree.

[DaveThePanther2008]

IMO whoever replaces Darnold is the odd man out.  I think they will give whoever is behind one final shot with the 2s. Than again they want to solidify their selection by watching him one more time.

I think it is Grier

[glitchh8]

I think Grier is better but he isn't a Temple good old boy.

And then there's Duck Hodges who just got released!

[Tinamedina]

On 8/23/2021 at 3:19 AM, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Did you hear Rhule's comments about receivers not getting separation.  You would rather Grier to throw into coverage for a possible interception?  Or do what the defense is giving you.  There is a difference between not throwing deep to a open target, ie Bridgewater, and throwing into coverage for an incomplete or interception. 

PJ's TD was intended for a different receiver.   It just happened that Tremble came across and stole it.   Had Tremble not been in the right place at the right time.  That pass is picked off or incomplete because it was not on target.   Please don't make it sound as if he was targeting Tremble.  They even commented on who the pass was initially for.

 

 

Meh, play was made. Grier is not capable that level of play, athleticism wise.

[Tinamedina]

15 hours ago, Ace420 said:

Not a big fan of either, but if I had to choose I would go with PJ. I feel like they are pretty equal in throwing though Greer might have a slight edge, so you have to look at other characteristics like athletic ability and production in other leagues. I feel like PJ has the most upside of the 2.

I don't trust either one to win a game, but maybe PJ has less of a chance to lose the game.

Except PJ has won a game and the only one to score in this preseason as of yet.

 

[Tinamedina]

On 8/23/2021 at 4:14 AM, DaveThePanther2008 said:

He was beat but the ball was behind him and would have been picked off or incomplete.  PJ got lucky.  PJs shot to Shi Smith against the Colts that would be considered deep.  Grier's shot to Marshall was considered deep against Ravens.  

I noticed you didn't recognize the comment about receivers not getting separation against Ravens.  That's being smart and not forcing things.   The difference for Grier is.  He has the arm to make those throws. TB5 didn't.

Grier looked more like a reasonable backup compared to PJ.  Grier did better than PJ with the same squads. 

That said, I'd still rather have a veteran signed to backup Darnold but who I would choose would be Grier.   

 

Grier doesnt thrown deep because hes not good at that. Ever since 2019 when he came onto the team, hes been basically TEDDY bridgewater. Dont try to make Grier to be something he isn't because of your dislike of PJ Walker. 

[Zod]

Doesn't matter. If Darnold goes down the Panthers picking a QB top 5. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 hour ago, Tinamedina said:

 

Grier doesnt thrown deep because hes not good at that. Ever since 2019 when he came onto the team, hes been basically TEDDY bridgewater. Dont try to make Grier to be something he isn't because of your dislike of PJ Walker. 

One I don't dislike PJ.  Secondly that's BS he can't throw deep.  He hit Marshall in stride down the sideline.  

You have more excuses for PJ than you insist I do for Grier. 

[parker]

Grier, but in any case, I don't think either gets picked up once they are cut.  I think PJ has more excitement value, but he is basically playing backyard football.  Grier looked more decisive and NFL capable.

[OneBadCat]

I like PJ a lot but Grier looked better vs the Ravens and his arm looks stronger too.

[Cdparr7]

2 hours ago, Tinamedina said:

Except PJ has won a game and the only one to score in this preseason as of yet.

 

“He won a game”

He beat the lions who was worse than us when our defense shut them out. He also threw 2 picks in the process.

This is such a bum excuse.

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

“He won a game”

He beat the lions who was worse than us when our defense shut them out. He also threw 2 picks in the process.

This is such a bum excuse.

Yes I tried to convince him that Grier, who I am not a big fan of, is better than PJ and runs the offense better.

For some reason I thought it was 4 picks.   The heck with 2 ints.  How about a 24.5 QBR. 

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Yes I tried to convince him that Grier, who I am not a big fan of, is better than PJ and runs the offense better.

For some reason I thought it was 4 picks.   The heck with 2 ints.  How about a 24.5 QBR. 

PJ completed 70% of his passes in his NFL start.   would have been 79% if you factor the drops. 

QBR is QBR.  It was what it was simply because off of two red zone throws.  Which IMO were very poor play calls and positions to put PJ in (you know, back up QB making his first start). Then on top of that, as Teddy alluded to....even the first string QB was put behind the 8 ball in those scenarios. 

Nothing wrong with thinking PJ isn't a great QB.  But he played well vs the Lions all things considered.  Two things can be true. 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I like PJ a lot but Grier looked better vs the Ravens and his arm looks stronger too.

And PJ looked better against the Colts.  In truth, both our backups looked better when they played in the first half, which might be due to the personnel they had around them. 

Fwiw, PJ is more mobile, which might be a necessity if our line is as bad as some think.  

But I agree with Zod.  If Darnold goes down more than a game or two, we are looking at another long season.