Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Perspective, Directive, and Erective - The Panthers offensive woes and you


Zod
 Share

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Paradis is literally probably our second best lineman at the moment. 

Didn't look like it last night.

Gantt previously speculated that Elflein will replace Paradis at center next year since he doesn't believe they'll re-up with Paradis. And honestly, why would they?

I agree Paradis has improved since we first saw him, but he's still not great. If we're gonna replace him though, I'd prefer it be done with a draft pick.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Didn't look like it last night.

Gantt previously speculated that Elflein will replace Paradis at center next year since he doesn't believe they'll re-up with Paradis. And honestly, why would they?

I agree Paradis has improved since we first saw him, but he's still not great. If we're gonna replace him though, I'd prefer it be done with a draft pick.

Well, if that speculation is correct, I am just going to go ahead and say that we will never have a good offensive line with this staff. If we are dumb enough to think that Pat Elflein is our future at center(same as Erving as our future at LT), that isn't dumb that is fixable.

And if you don't think Paradis is great, I am not sure what you think Elflein will be. Less great? 

I am all for replacing Paradis, but not for some discarded roster trash that the Jets wouldn't even keep.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, if that speculation is correct, I am just going to go ahead and say that we will never have a good offensive line with this staff. If we are dumb enough to think that Pat Elflein is our future at center(same as Erving as our future at LT), that isn't dumb that is fixable.

And if you don't think Paradis is great, I am not sure what you think Elflein will be. Less great? 

I am all for replacing Paradis, but not for some discarded roster trash that the Jets wouldn't even keep.

I put both of them in the "not good enough" tier at this point.

Which one's better?

Does it matter? 😕

Best hope is that they look better once the real games start. I'd actually like to hope for a lot better, but I'm not that optimistic.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, if Thompson is viewed as a top option at this point….that is worrisome.    Given that was the first series group.  No one likes to talk about FB play….but now that we don’t have Cam handling those one yarders it’s back to being important again. 
 

 

It appears that we believe we can simply use an H-Back or TE to fill in for a FB. Not 100% sure I agree but if we are honest with ourselves, having the best FB in the NFL isn't going to accomplish much with the OL getting blown up like they were on those plays. I think we can be fine with a "make do" option at FB if we fix those issues.

Much more critical than finding a FB.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

Yeah let’s just lose in front of our biggest home crowd in over a year. That’s awesome go team!

It's the preseason. It literally doesn't matter at all. If the fans can't understand that, they must be new to the NFL.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I put both of them in the "not good enough" tier at this point.

Which one's better?

Does it matter? 😕

Best hope is that they look better once the real games start. I'd actually like to hope for a lot better, but I'm not that optimistic.

Paradis is definitely better but, yes, we need to improve there. IMO, the only hope for looking better is to take our lumps with a younger lineup. Those guys have upside, at the very least. If you want to have a veteran in the mix, Miller is serviceable and doesn't embarrass himself that much. The other two should be some combination of BC, Brown and Daley. Otherwise, I just don't get what we are doing.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It appears that we believe we can simply use an H-Back or TE to fill in for a FB. Not 100% sure I agree but if we are honest with ourselves, having the best FB in the NFL isn't going to accomplish much with the OL getting blown up like they were on those plays. I think we can be fine with a "make do" option at FB if we fix those issues.

Much more critical than finding a FB.

The design of that run play at the goal made FB play extremely important though in the plays chance of success 

The design of the play essentially cleared it for the FB and RB to make the play happen IMO.   

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's the preseason. It literally doesn't matter at all. If the fans can't understand that, they must be new to the NFL.

 

 No I understand completely when we looked like we did we will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Teams that are 0-2 right now are teams with MVP quarterbacks. Repsond back to me when u think you know more about football!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

The design of that run play at the goal made FB play extremely important though in the plays chance of success 

The design of the play essentially cleared it for the FB and RB to make the play happen IMO.   

 

Yeah but we've seen CMC come up short in those situations in real games before and we know that he is an elite player. It's possible to get bailed out by a great player and great FB in some situations but if your OL doesn't execute in goal line, 95% of the time you are gonna be sunk in a situation like that. 

That's why having a Cam or Josh Allen type QB bailed can bail you out in those scenarios. It's like having another giant FB on the field.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Harbingers said:

CMC-Chubba are gonna be a hell of a combo. The only issue with it is they appear to be nearly identical in style. Power Back plays may be an issue. Don’t want to send either of them up the gut continuously, especially with what we’ve seen from the OL. 

Why not use Tremble in short yardage goal line situations as a fullback?

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, BurnNChinn said:

 No I understand completely when we looked like we did we will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Teams that are 0-2 right now are teams with MVP quarterbacks. Repsond back to me when u think you know more about football!

You clearly do not know about football if you are crying about a preseason performance. Especially considering that this will probably be the fewest reps we have seen our starters play in any preseason in recent memory. 

The only thing we have gleaned so far is how our quality of depth is lacking and perhaps some inkling of how our new draft picks may look when the reps are real.

  • Pie 3
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Give me Mitchell Evans over T Sanders in this run heavy offense any day of the week. 
    • What's up gents, the OGs remember me, the guy who single-handedly gave the Panthers the greatest uniform in history moniker. Not too long after that I got involved with Pro Football Focus (pre-Collinsworth acquisition) and ended up taking backseat here to preserve some objectivity. But from a distance I noticed a lot. After the end of the Cam era this place devolved into the most un-fun, petty, negative cesspool of whining and bitching that has ever graced the internet. The worst part of it all is that the level of discussion turned into the most ill-informed, hot-take, unnuanced crap, rife with people talking out of their posteriors as if they have any clue about what they are watching. Once you get into the professional side of the sport and actual film rooms, you start to understand there's an absurd number of moving parts to pretty much every snap and the details you are privy to are truly only half the picture. The absolute most important thing I learned from being part of professional level football analysis is that quarterbacking is literally the most intricate and difficult position in all of professional sports, and that the NFL itself is struggling to develop any workable model that allows them to understand what makes one succeed vs what makes one fail. Because of this paradox it has also made the quarterback position itself grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries that inevitably cause even elite teams to lose key talent all to pour cash into the one player supposed to be able to single-handedly elevate the entire team (and defense and special teams and coaching and ownership by some mysterious proxy), yet without those same players even talented teams can wander the wilderness searching for the right guy to take advantage of their talent window. The discussions the last few years around Bryce has personified this insanity, as this board has devolved into some sort of electronic civil war between the hyperbolic Young supporters and the vitriolic Bryce haters. The reality, like practically everything in this world, is somewhere in the middle. He has traits that can absolutely elevate a team with creativity, play recognition, off-arm angle throws, mental toughness, etc. He's also physically limited, with mostly "good-enough" qualities for most situations that a professional quarterback is asked to do, and will never be an overpowering physical force like pre-injury Cam. But "good-enough" physicality represents a large majority of championship-winning quarterbacks, even in the modern era. There's a reason the corpse of Peyton Manning took the chip from elite physical specimen Cam, because the team surrounding him was talented enough to get him there, while we all know Cam was the driving force of that 2015 team. That's no knock on him, that's just how the game of football tends to work: the more complete team usually wins. The summary is this: if this team lives or dies solely on the performance of its quarterback, then it is absolutely a paper tiger even if he plays brilliantly week in and out. There are no superheroes in this sport, there are only conduits that proxy the collective efforts of much of the team around them. And no one alive can tell you how the position is played perfectly, it's all a confluence of circumstance and what unique collection of traits each player brings to the position, which can never be truly recreated season after season, even for the same player on the same team. If this place remains a raging hellscape of idiotic hot takes I will happily remove myself again and do something more productive for yet another decade, but maybe's there hope that we can all get back to the old adage, and keep pounding.
    • Really impressed how the bottom six have looked the past couple games
×
×
  • Create New...