Jake on Sam

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, Geno6316 said:

Behind a putrid offensive line he was having success. With that line CMC needs to play, without him, the better defenses are just having fun and teeing off

Three games? Kyle Allen was successful longer than that. Teddy Bridgewater lost CMC last year too but we weren't getting blown out by the likes of the Giants even he still kept us competitive more often than not he just had zero clutch in him. Hey if you want to convince yourself Sam is still going to somehow morph into a franchise qb more power to you but it's not reality.

[CanadianCat]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I will ask again.  What is plan b?

Honestly we should not have a plan B. I dont want to run PJ out there and sneak out 2-3 more wins cause teams dont have game film on him. I think we need to live or die with Sam.

Either Sam can fix himself (there is still time) or he doesn't and we tank and have a top draft pick. 

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Honestly we should not have a plan B. I dont want to run PJ out there and sneak out 2-3 more wins cause teams dont have game film on him. I think we need to live or die with Sam.

Either Sam can fix himself (there is still time) or he doesn't and we tank and have a top draft pick. 

 

Unfortunately this isn’t a good year for qbs at the top of the draft.   Great year for tackles though.  

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wanted to keep Grier. As hapless as he looked last year, he clearly outplayed PJ in the preseason. I mean, Grier isn't a legit fallback plan either but if we're choosing between the two, Grier was the better looking QB.

I thought the same, but I think Grier was a Hurney guy and PJ was a Rhule guy.

 

[Madwolf]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

Three games? Kyle Allen was successful longer than that. Teddy Bridgewater lost CMC last year too but we weren't getting blown out by the likes of the Giants even he still kept us competitive more often than not he just had zero clutch in him. Hey if you want to convince yourself Sam is still going to somehow morph into a franchise qb more power to you but it's not reality.

The most frustrating part of it is we traded one QB with a certain skill ceiling for a QB that seems to have a very similar ceiling.

Should have just stuck with Teddy and drafted a QB. Now the plan is basically the same, keep Sam and draft a QB to develop behind him while he takes the hits.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

The most frustrating part of it is we traded one QB with a certain skill ceiling for a QB that seems to have a very similar ceiling.

Should have just stuck with Teddy and drafted a QB. Now the plan is basically the same, keep Sam and draft a QB to develop behind him while he takes the hits.

Everything they SAID indicated they were eyeing a five year rebuild. Everything they've DONE indicates they've been looking for quick fix bandaids.

Well, on offense at least. We're building a very talented young defense but we're trying to slap together an offense with duct tape and bailing wire and if we railroad Joe Brady don't be surprised if he doesn't call it what it is. "Listen, they brought me in here and paid me all that money and then they spent all their roster building resources on defense. Whatya want me to do?"

[RJK]

Darnold is slow. That’s not going to magically change after 4 years in the league 

[CanadianCat]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything they SAID indicated they were eyeing a five year rebuild. Everything they've DONE indicates they've been looking for quick fix bandaids.

Well, on offense at least. We're building a very talented young defense but we're trying to slap together an offense with duct tape and bailing wire and if we railroad Joe Brady don't be surprised if he doesn't call it what it is. "Listen, they brought me in here and paid me all that money and then they spent all their roster building resources on defense. Whatya want me to do?"

I would disagree with that. I dont think the plan was to draft a QB and build around him. I think the plan was to build a team and the last piece is the QB - which is why we didnt draft one this year KNOWING next year is not a good QB draft.

I think they have taken shots on used QB's hoping to find one but I dont think that actually impacts the rebuild plan.

I think the plan is that in 2022 we rebuild the oline and get draft capital for 2023. 2023 is QB time. 

IMO.. 

[AviationMX]

I still think Sams demise  is more Bradys fault, I am by no means a offensive expert, but it looks to me like is Sam is not anticipating routes right. Most of the throws are from standing parallel to the line of scrimmage and he not planting his rear foot. Balls are sailing everywhere and his ability to find triple coverage is baffling.

To be honest, we seen this before but with a much more talented player (!).

Sam looked like he threw guys open when he had the proper technique but that was lost at half time with Dallas.

Isn't the West Coast offense supposed to time the reads with the drop back?

You add some added protection with running backs and depending on the drop back, the QB is reading the routes until he hits the trigger step. It may be a quick or slower 5 step or even have a hitch to clear some routes. Wouldn't that stop Sam from thinking to much or is the WC offense hard for the both the receivers and QB to learn? or Brady for that matter...

Here's on old article from Steve Young

https://www.espn.com/nfl/s/westcoast/popularity.html

[jayboogieman]

3 hours ago, ladypanther said:

Brady abandoning the run game and putting the game on the arm of Darnold with a line who cannot protect is just not very smart.  He continues to do this while his head coach is telling the world that the team needs to run the ball.  Makes no sense.

This is a failure on Rhule's part. He needs to exercise is authority if his OC is not calling the game to his satisfaction. 

[jayboogieman]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I will ask again.  What is plan b?

Sucking for Sam Howell and that sweet, sweet, UNC homer money.

[jayboogieman]

36 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

I think the plan is that in 2022 we rebuild the oline and get draft capital for 2023. 2023 is QB time.

I have thought the same. Now though, with all the Watson talk, they may get forced to draft a QB.

[Madwolf]

49 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything they SAID indicated they were eyeing a five year rebuild. Everything they've DONE indicates they've been looking for quick fix bandaids.

Well, on offense at least. We're building a very talented young defense but we're trying to slap together an offense with duct tape and bailing wire and if we railroad Joe Brady don't be surprised if he doesn't call it what it is. "Listen, they brought me in here and paid me all that money and then they spent all their roster building resources on defense. Whatya want me to do?"

We both see the same thing.

Even when they try to go grab a QB the asset management is so bad that they're limiting their ability to fix the offense they have, even with a QB. 

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Sucking for Sam Howell and that sweet, sweet, UNC homer money.

Sam Howell may fall out of the first.   He is now like the 5ish ranked qb on the board