Sam Howell

[Sir Purr]

Has never won an NFL game. 

[DeSim]

I mean yeah he looked good, definitely much better than Corral.  But yup against 3rd and 4th stringers. 

[mrcompletely11]

at worst he is a good nfl back up

 

with some seasoning and consistency he is a kirk cousins style qb

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

at worst he is a good nfl back up

 

with some seasoning and consistency he is a kirk cousins style qb

The difference is the arm. I think the NFL botched this evaluation big time.

[X-Clown]

So bumping old threads Is ok now? Good to know 

[Pimpdaddy]

On 1/26/2022 at 1:07 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Everyone here should know by now that I'm a big Heels and Howell fan. I was planning to do a breakdown of him as an NFL prospect, but this guy basically did it for me.

I can't find a whole lot to disagree with here so I'll just link this:

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/01/2022-nfl-draft-player-profiles-north-carolina-qb-sam-howell/

I'll add...

Biggest strength:

- Physically, it's throwing the deep ball. He throws an accurate very catchable deep ball. Don't get triggered by these names, but in terms of the style of deep ball he throws think Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers. He has an ability to throw a ball that somehow both has a lot of air under it yet doesn't get "floaty" giving safeties a chance to make a great break on it.

- Mentally, it's his competitive fire and ability to stay even keel. The guy is willing to do whatever it takes to give his team a chance and he doesn't get rattled or frustrated when the game isn't going well or the OL is getting blown up or receivers are dropping balls.

Biggest weakness:

- Physically, it's his height. He's probably six feet even on a good day. The pounding he took this season has to give you a little pause too. He took a prime Cam Newton type of pounding this year playing behind a porous OL while oftentimes being relied upon as the primary ball carrier on the ground.

- Mentally, it's his risk/reward analysis. It has to evolve at the NFL level. As a pure passer, I actually think he's there. He usually does a great job of managing risk while still taking manageable chances. It has more to do with him as a runner and a scrambler. He's built like Stephen Davis and runs like him too. You don't want your QB taking that type of pounding. 3rd down in the second half of a tight game? Do your thing young man. 1st quarter? Get down and protect yourself. Similar story as a scrambler. He has the mentality that no play is ever dead and he always has a chance to make a play. That leads to some highlight reels but it also leads to some bad sacks. He has to develop a better feel for when to push the envelope and when to toss it into the stands.

NFL comparison:

Everyone wants to say Baker Mayfield and I get it. Physically they're very similar. I think Howell is a bit better of an athlete and I think Mayfield has a bit better natural arm talent (keep in mind, Mayfield has the longest pass thrown in terms of yards in air in NFL history to his credit). The breakdown I linked mentioned Wilson as a comp and I can get that too. Mentally, I think he's a much better comp vs. Mayfield. So if you let me combine them, I say Mayfield physically and Wilson mentally. I have another name in mind specifically, but I don't want this thread to go off the rails from the get go. There's gonna have to be a trigger warning involved.

he looked good against panthers 4 string...is that what you want to hear?

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The difference is the arm. I think the NFL botched this evaluation big time.

It was a weird QB year for sure. I couldn't understand why he didn't get more love. I thought we would take a swing at him. 

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The difference is the arm. I think the NFL botched this evaluation big time.

not being overly critical because I did want him in the draft but he has to correct a few things, the stupid ball slap he does before he throws is crazy and he has a wild tendency to put touch on the pass only to have it become a duck.  But i was impressed with his scrambling and decision making today.

 

Like I said at worst he is a good back at best..........we fuged up

[Toker Smurf]

4 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

he looked good against panthers 4 string...is that what you want to hear?

I didn’t want Howell but the problem with your argument is he was also throwing to and being blocked for by third and fourth stringers. 

[Pimpdaddy]

5 minutes ago, Toker Smurf said:

I didn’t want Howell but the problem with your argument is he was also throwing to and being blocked for by third and fourth stringers. 

...Across all  teams..3- 4th talent can very widely ....obviously, their squad was better...doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.. You can anoint Howell too if you want.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Pimpdaddy

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Pimpdaddy said:

...Across all  teams..3- 4th talent can very widely ....obviously, their squad was better...doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things..

we won the game

[Pimpdaddy]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we won the game

thx to Corral.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Pimpdaddy said:

thx to Corral.

and his head

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The difference is the arm. I think the NFL botched this evaluation big time.

He looked damn good.

I'm not gonna overreact to a preseason game but objectively speaking, I was impressed.