The 33rd Team: Coaches on the Hot Seat

[Mr. Scot]

The first one's not exactly a mystery, though even less so given that they put his picture in the tweet.

This happens so much that Rhule has virtually become the face of the NFL Hot Seat. 

What's a little surprising is that the article only lists three names total, with the others also having some level of familiarity to us here on The Huddle. 

Number Two is our old buddy Ron Rivera, currently of the embattled Washington Commanders. Seems a tad early in my mind to be putting him there, but given the organization he's part of I suppose it can be understood.. 

The third is Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy, perhaps more properly referred to as the assistant head coach since Jerry Jones is always the true head coach...and GM... and...whatever. Not that working for Jerry Jones is ever a very secure position, but these days there's loads of speculation that McCarthy is just keeping the seat warm for Sean Payton.

As to Rhule, the article acknowledges that he has a history of guiding college programs to better standing but calls rebuilding the Panthers "a much harder task".

Excerpt:

He has a 10-23 record in his first two years with the team. Some of the blame can fall on major injuries and certain personnel decisions, but Rhule is still responsible for winning games at the end of the day. 

Rhule has also dealt with an endless carousel of quarterbacks during his tenure paired, and Christian McCaffrey only playing in 10 games the past two years doesn’t help either. A healthy McCaffrey and consistent quarterback play could have Rhule back on stable ground in no time or another year filled with injuries and losses could put Rhule on the hot seat this season.

Truthfully, I find it a little disingenuous to blame some of Rhule's issues on "certain personnel decisions" when it's well known that he has final say on those. 

Land the "carousel of quarterbacks? Yeah...also pretty much him

Edited July 28, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[jayboogieman]

I won't believe Rhule is on the hotseat until Tepper fires him.

[Jon Snow]

Rhule will get a 4th year. Tepper said as much in his presser, unless he was flat out lying. He even said he may give him 5 regardless of record.  I am just not buying he's in any danger of losing his job this season or anytime soon. 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Jon Snow

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Rhule will get a 4th year. Tepper said as much in his presser, unless he was flat out lying. He even said he may give him 5 regardless of record.  I am just not buying he's in any danger of losing his job this season or anytime soon. 

Tapper also said Marty Hurney was one of the best evaluators of college talent in the league and even specifically stated that he "didn't want to lose him" before firing him around a year later.

I've come to a pretty clear understanding that the public speaking version of David Tepper rarely knows what he's talking about, quite commonly says things without thinking and is pretty frequently full of sh-t.

[ThPantherFan]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Rhule will get a 4th year. Tepper said as much in his presser, unless he was flat out lying. He even said he may give him 5 regardless of record.  I am just not buying he's in any danger of losing his job this season or anytime soon. 

I hope rule is fired before the season starts.

[ThPantherFan]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've come to a pretty clear understanding that the public speaking version of David Tepper rarely knows what he's talking about, quite commonly says things without thinking and is pretty frequently full of sh-t.

If it wasn't so early I would drink to that statement.  I'll drink 2 this evening.

[UnluckyforSome]

Despite the documented ridiculousness of the deal that was given Rhule, and Tepper's continued support for his coach, I do believe he could be shown the door this season if there is obvious regression by the team, and/or Rhule completely loses the team, and players are doing their own thing, ignoring coaching, and mailing it in after the 1st quarter etc. Can't have that happening, ego and hubris be damned.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The first one's not exactly a mystery, though even less so given that they put his picture in the tweet.

This happens so much that Rhule has virtually become the face of the NFL Hot Seat. 

What's a little surprising is that the article only lists three names total, with the others also having some level of familiarity to us here on The Huddle. 

Number Two is our old buddy Ron Rivera, currently of the embattled Washington Commanders. Seems a tad early in my mind to be putting him there, but given the organization he's part of I suppose it can be understood.. 

The third is Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy, perhaps more properly referred to as the assistant head coach since Jerry Jones is always the true head coach...and GM... and...whatever. Not that working for Jerry Jones is ever a very secure position, but these days there's loads of speculation that McCarthy is just keeping the seat warm for Sean Payton.

As to Rhule, the article acknowledges that he has a history of guiding college programs to better standing but calls rebuilding the Panthers "a much harder task".

Excerpt:

He has a 10-23 record in his first two years with the team. Some of the blame can fall on major injuries and certain personnel decisions, but Rhule is still responsible for winning games at the end of the day. 

Rhule has also dealt with an endless carousel of quarterbacks during his tenure paired, and Christian McCaffrey only playing in 10 games the past two years doesn’t help either. A healthy McCaffrey and consistent quarterback play could have Rhule back on stable ground in no time or another year filled with injuries and losses could put Rhule on the hot seat this season.

Truthfully, I find it a little disingenuous to blame some of Rhule's issues on "certain personnel decisions" when it's well known that he has final say on those. 

Land the "carousel of quarterbacks? Yeah...also pretty much him

Thanks for the post on this. More than anything, I'm really beginning to like the 33rd Team -- good takes without the call-in-talkshow kind of reporting.

And yeah, I think they went a little light on Rhule. They did remind us of the reputation that brought him here, but were also smart enough to remind us that this isn't Kansas (or Waco, TX) anymore, Toto. 

I hope he can pull off the miracle season and that the last two were just the adjustment period. If he is going to be the magician, though, he's got to know he's no longer playing Indian Reservation casino lounges and he's now center stage on Penn & Teller's Fool Us. 

[Toker Smurf]

33 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

If it wasn't so early I would drink to that statement.  I'll drink 2 this evening.

Yeah. I don't like to drink this early. I find it interferes with my high.

[Waldo]

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, Toker Smurf said:

Yeah. I don't like to drink this early. I find it interferes with my high.

You got that right!

[Sgt Schultz]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Rhule will get a 4th year. Tepper said as much in his presser, unless he was flat out lying. He even said he may give him 5 regardless of record.  I am just not buying he's in any danger of losing his job this season or anytime soon. 

I'm of that same mindset.  Every individual statement I have seen attributed to Tepper, and the totality of everything he has said on the subject tells me that barring a complete collapse and looking lost (again) at what is happening before his very eyes,

Tepper didn't buy Rhule, he bought what Rhule was selling: "the process."  As such, he needs to come to the conclusion the process is failing or a is just a dead end. The idea that "the process" may work very well in places like Temple or Baylor, or it might even work a the more juggernaut schools, but not at all in the NFL has not dawned on him.  

As for Ron and McCarthy, those seats are hot constantly.  The Foreskins are a complete debacle of an organization starting at the top.  As for the Cowboys, Jerrah has not come to terms with the overwhelming fact that his team has not sniffed a shot at a Superb Bowl since JJ's roster left and rebuilding that is beyond him.  The problem with both of those places is not who is wearing the HC headset, it is what looks back at the owner when he looks in the mirror every morning.  Neither Jerrah nor Snyder can admit that.

[Mr. Scot]

53 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I'm of that same mindset.  Every individual statement I have seen attributed to Tepper, and the totality of everything he has said on the subject tells me that barring a complete collapse and looking lost (again) at what is happening before his very eyes,

Tepper didn't buy Rhule, he bought what Rhule was selling: "the process."  As such, he needs to come to the conclusion the process is failing or a is just a dead end. The idea that "the process" may work very well in places like Temple or Baylor, or it might even work a the more juggernaut schools, but not at all in the NFL has not dawned on him.  

As for Ron and McCarthy, those seats are hot constantly.  The Foreskins are a complete debacle of an organization starting at the top.  As for the Cowboys, Jerrah has not come to terms with the overwhelming fact that his team has not sniffed a shot at a Superb Bowl since JJ's roster left and rebuilding that is beyond him.  The problem with both of those places is not who is wearing the HC headset, it is what looks back at the owner when he looks in the mirror every morning.  Neither Jerrah nor Snyder can admit that.

People under Jones were the ones who convinced him to hand things over to Bill Parcells back in the early 2000s.

It was a smart move on their part, but it ended up backfiring.

When Parcells failed to deliver a Super Bowl, Jones took that to mean that his way was just as good as anyone else's. He felt justified in going back to running things just like he had before Parcells came aboard.

It's really hard to fight that kind of narcissism.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Jon Snow]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tapper also said Marty Hurney was one of the best evaluators of college talent in the league and even specifically stated that he "didn't want to lose him" before firing him around a year later.

I've come to a pretty clear understanding that the public speaking version of David Tepper rarely knows what he's talking about, quite commonly says things without thinking and is pretty frequently full of sh-t.

But he didn't double down on Hurney like he's done with Rhule.  He's either lying or he's seriously going to give him 4 season's and quite possibly 5 to get this right.  Not my words but Teppers.