Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Official cut day thread !


Zod
 Share

Recommended Posts

Just now, The Huddler said:

i dont know whats more retarded..

 

drafting leatherwood in the 1st, or releasing your 1st round pick after just one season..? 

Idk but at least someone did something worse than us with drafting Little in the second

  • Pie 3
  • Beer 1
  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, WolfpackPantherMan said:

That Alabama name was what got him into the first round

The track record for Bama OL is not as good as one would think.

This is interesting because the moved him inside to G when RT did not work out.  One of my FB friends is the son of a good friend of mine, Brandon Parker, who replaced Leatherwood but has a bad shoulder injury that will send him to IR for the year--not sure what they are going to do on the right side now.

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, stbugs said:

😂 When have I ever said Rhule has done well? I literally ended my post with wanting a real staff, coach and GM included.

The only thing I laugh at and point out is how people, like you, will only say positive things about Fitterer and blame Rhule for everything. Fitterer made a great extension of DJ but it was Rhule who forced him to sign Sam, Robby, Donte and Thomas. Fitt was able to trade Little and Daley but darn it if that damn Rhule didn’t force him to trade all those picks for Darnold even after the 49ers took themselves out of the game. Thank goodness that Fitt signed Corbett, Bozeman and Reddick (he didn’t even want to play for Rhule again) because Rhule forced him to sign Erving and Elflein. Also, thank goodness that Rhule is only allowed to draft in even rounds so that Fitt can get us Iky, Horn and BC after Rhule selected TMJ, Hubbard, Brown, LS and Corral when Rhule even forced us to give up next year’s 3rd to move up from the 4th. 

Do you actually think Matt Rhule would have been involved in the Daley and Little trades?

The reality is that Rhule has final say on all decisions. That fact makes him ultimately responsible for the team's success or failure. 

He does not, however, do all the work. His own statements confirm that.

Scouting draft eligible and free agent players falls under the personnel department, which Fitterer runs. He doesn't do all the work there either of course, but he's in charge of what gets done.

The vast majority of what happens personnel wise would likely fall under Fitterer. There are, however, also things which occur at the direction of Matt Rhule. Extending Robbie is most likely one of those things. likewise, the emphasis on signing versatile linemen was per his (and perhaps Pat Meyer's) preference.

And yes, the head coach is going to be much more involved on quarterback decisions than others. That's true pretty much around the league. Mind you, Rhule didn't negotiate the deals themselves (Sulieman would be the guy there) but like pretty much every coach in the NFL, he writes the "grocery list" with input from assistants like Brady, McAdoo, etc.

The problem with your approach is that you want to put everything personnel related on Fitterer. And in a traditional coach-GM dynamic that would have some validity, but with the structure we have you just can't rightly do that. 

Now, it equally doesn't make sense to assign the good to Fitterer and the bad to Rhule. That's absurd.

But despite what you've said, everyone who disagrees with you isn't doing that.

Fitterer has certainly made mistakes. Every GM does. But when I and others look at the team's personnel decisions vs the team's coaching decisions, it's not at all difficult to conclude that Fitterer is better at his job than Rhule is at his (which is pretty much what most are actually saying).

With that in mind, a lot of us don't want to see the baby thrown out with the bathwater.

If Rhule is fired, I'm on board with Fitterer (and Morgan, that's important too) staying and picking his successor. Also prefer that Tepper institute a traditional dynamic rather than the "head coach is god" college model we have now.

Now, if Fitterer fails then, he fails. But at least we're not rebooting everything at one time.

If that doesn't seem reasonable to you, not sure what else to tell you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I did a lot of research on Xavier Legette for the past few weeks, and as some of you know, I was in favor of making him our first pick. I must say that I got tired of going back and forth seemingly every other day about X, and was so ready for the draft to come in order for the team to "put up or shut up" where X was concerned, and enable discussions on X to move forward. X was (is) the most polarizing player discussed on the Huddle in terms pick 33, and that brought a lot of contentious discussion as well as information. See, you never know what to believe during the draft season, and ever since the Senior Bowl, hints and outright stories of the Panthers' and X's mutual attraction appeared and ramped up so easily, that it was almost unbelievable. So, even though I liked X, and really figured that he should be the pick, the ease of which everything fell into place and the outside noise of different analysts made me lose a little conviction. But one ex-scout developed unshakable conviction all the way through.  Dan Kelly, who used to scout for the Jets back in the day, chose Xavier Legette as the top receiver in the 2024 draft class. I came across his thoughts weeks ago, but I'm sharing them now just to give you some positive food for thought since X is indeed a Panther. There is no boom-or-bust aspect to X in Kelly's estimation, as X is reminiscent of a damned good one. "This Gamecocks receiver conjures memories of how Pro Football Hall of Fame wide receiver Art Monk — the former Washington star — ran his routes." "Legette's sudden and spontaneous moves win initial route leverage against corners and then he wins again at route breakpoints." For as critical as some have been of X's release off the line, when I look at X work, I can't say that Kelly is wrong here. X certainly seems to get open (though admittedly sometimes he just out-physicals the DBs ). "Legette is the best in this draft class at "Mossin'" defenders — that is acrobatically outjumping corners for passes and coming down with circus catches. Legette isn't the next Moss, but he is darn good. He can go deep or sell the deep route well before settling back underneath and making those vitally important chain-moving intermediate-level receptions (11-19 yards)." https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/scouts_view_the_top_receiver_in_the_nfl_draft_isnt_who_you_think/s1_13132_39987216 On Kelly's own site, First Round Mock, he was a little more specific: "Legette has this spontaneous and impulsive ability to put little moves on corners, whether releasing from the line of scrimmage...or...when going deep. Either way, it’s enough to earn Legette route leverage (position advantage against the cornerback he’s matched up against)." There's that term again: route leverage. Say what you want about X, but he knows how to get it. Lastly, within the scouting report, Kelly really mentions the term again without saying it. "Strong target who showed high-level receiving skills beyond his years...Runs routes to get open rather than well-defined routes which makes him tough to cover. Gets to the spot..." That's ironic, no? X in his roughness makes it ugly for defensive backs to cover him. For me, this was an epiphany when I was looking at some of his clips. Yeah, he may not be the technician that a Diontae Johnson or (dare I say) a Ladd McConkey is, but he always seemed to get where he needed to be. He just simply is not built to be bullied or redirected from the task at hand, and I don't think that's a characteristic or talent (if you will) that can be taught. Sure, he'll be polished up as best that the coaches can, and perhaps that will allow him a smoother release. And I'm sure that the coaches will devise ways to scheme him open, but he's built---physically and mentally to get to where he's going. You saw it last season, and you're going to see it in the pros. Watch what I'm saying. https://firstroundmock.com/2024/02/xavier-legette-reminds-former-nfl-scout-of-these-legends/
    • This is from his draft / combine profile from NFL.com.   https://www.nfl.com/prospects/austin-corbett/3200434f-5200-8097-d4cb-2bd53a7e3b55   Overview Corbett won't blow you away with any of his measurables or play traits, but he's solid in most areas. Corbett is definitely sharp enough to move inside to guard or even center and has good technique, but his average to below average play strength and lack of length may be a concern. He has the size and talent to compete for a guard/center spot early on, but he may elevate above an average starter during his career.   Sources Tell Us "He's smart and just solid all the way around. Long time starter in the league. I think he'll end up at center." - AFC offensive line coach
    • Our own PP won't be held to 9% this go round either.... I think the PK was a bit of an anomaly agaist the Isles...  
×
×
  • Create New...