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Baker through 2 games

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53 minutes ago, panthersgreenville said:

Also another note, there is just something about baker that seems like he doesn’t care or really doesn’t want to be here. He has this lackadaisical and apathetic body language and demeanor, no fire or grit at all

The whole team is that way and it’s a reflection of Rhule. 

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I keep posting it across multiple threads regarding the different units, but it holds true across all of them...  I keep asking, for all that has changed - assistant coaches, OLinemen, QBs, etc., the one constant is their in-game play has not changed.  And specifically, at QB, what we have seen is, no matter how guys looked before with other teams or even here with other coaches, they have played their absolute worst seasons/games of their careers under Rhule.  

We went and upgraded the OL because that was supposedly the problem with thr QBs for the last two years...  Welp.  That wasn't it.  Also, the OL was blamed for the QB issues last season, but we also struggled to run the ball.  So again...  what has been the constant throughline in it all?  Rhule.  

Don't get me wrong, Baker has disappointed me from what my expectations were, but it's not him.  It's not the players.  It's not the new coaches.  If we take a step back and look at the entire team and see what's going on, all of the struggles have remained and Rhule has overseen all of it.  It's Rhule.  That's all.

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5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Not Fields... damn it.  I was so high on him.  He is still pretty young but that's a bad stat.

Thats a bit deceiving since he played in a monsoon game one, but yeah he didnt look good this week.  But in his defense he is on his 2nd hc/oc and he has one of the worst lines and wr group in the nfl.

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Baker was this bad before we traded for him, he was just in a much better position.

A ton of us tried to tell you guys this, but it was all "no Baker has that fire he has got "it" "

Baker was trash in Cleveland with a playoff caliber roster, I dont know why some of you thought Baker + MCadoo/Wilkes was going to save us from the Rhule/Snow clown show. 

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats a bit deceiving since he played in a monsoon game one, but yeah he didnt look good this week.  But in his defense he is on his 2nd hc/oc and he has one of the worst lines and wr group in the nfl.

I don't even know who his top WR is and he does get sacked a lot.  If we drafted him Rhule would probably have him looking the same if not worse.  

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1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

McAdoo also setting him up for failure. He has 4 years worth of tape showing he shouldn't be a traditional pocket passer. 

Baker has his problems BUT McAdoo isn't making anything easier. The offense is 31st in at the snap motion, 29th in pre-snap motion; & Bottom 1/3 in play action The route concepts are bland

It's like they're allergic to watching film before they trade for these guys. Ironically, the best qb play we've had has been from T2G playing his short, checkdown passing offense which is what we all knew he was. 

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1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

Baker was this bad before we traded for him, he was just in a much better position.

A ton of us tried to tell you guys this, but it was all "no Baker has that fire he has got "it" "

Baker was trash in Cleveland with a playoff caliber roster, I dont know why some of you thought Baker + MCadoo/Wilkes was going to save us from the Rhule/Snow clown show. 

I'd still say he is average.  Looked solid as a rookie on the worst team in the league and had a good year in 2020 (yes with a solid roter).  I was expecting a step forward not a savior, but damn we might be going backwards.  It's getting clear that our players have little faith in Rhule and Co.  Defensive players used incorrectly, lack of presnap motion on offense, only using 3 WRs, shuffling QBs and OL during TC and preseason.  It's a joke...

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2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It's like they're allergic to watching film before they trade for these guys. Ironically, the best qb play we've had has been from T2G playing his short, checkdown passing offense which is what we all knew he was. 

It wouldl if we had guys that knew what they were looking at when they watched film.

I dont think Rhule could identify basic formations pre snap. 

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4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I'd still say he is average.  Looked solid as a rookie on the worst team in the league and had a good year in 2020 (yes with a solid roter).  I was expecting a step forward not a savior, but damn we might be going backwards.  It's getting clear that our players have little faith in Rhule and Co.  Defensive players used incorrectly, lack of presnap motion on offense, only using 3 WRs, shuffling QBs and OL during TC and preseason.  It's a joke...

The browns were not the worst team in the league his rookie year, that was the year before, some of you guys are dense AF.

Baker is what he is, nothing special. He is not going to lift your team into contention by himself and we do not have the talent or coaching to help him with his shortcomings.

He WAS TRASH in Cleveland thats why they traded away their future for a sexual predator who will miss 11 games this season .

I sure as hell dont get the step forward thinking with the group of braindead idiots we have running our O.

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41 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Show me a QB that has looked good under Rhule. We should honestly be still in the Cam Newton era with a young backup pushing him, but noooooo we had to let Rhule and Joe have their way. 

Cam has been washed for several years now dude. It's absolutely brutal but Rivera and Shula ran him into the ground and got his shoulder destroyed

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Found this nugget from CBS Sports stating, once again, it’s the coaching

Even with Christian McCaffreygetting more involved, the Panthers looked lifeless on offense as they search for continuity. 

Carolina is only getting beat 13.2% of the time on the offensive line, seventh-best in the NFL. It's on Matt Rhule and Ben McAdoo to inject life into this offense. 

 

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1 hour ago, panthersgreenville said:

I want Sam back.. No I’m not joking or being sarcastic. He has more extensive knowledge of the playbook and we have a healthy cmc and slightly better O line than last year. Bet anything Sam will be starting next Sunday 

What possible benefit does starting Sam bring at this point? Do you really think that Sam is the missing piece that will transform this into a playoff team or Super Bowl contender? 

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Tried to show you guys this before we ever traded for Baker, but  everybody was all " he is a huge upgrade from Sam" yea not so much.

Darnold : Bad throws 71 for 18.5% On target throws 286 for 74.5%

Baker : Bad Throws 84 for 20.9% On target throws 296 for 73.6%

They are basically the same guy. Baker just hasnt started his INT party yet. 

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