Rams Offering Two (Future) Firsts for Burns

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, frankw said:

I wish we could see Wilks with a better quarterback situation but I think that barring a miracle we're changing gears altogether. But part of me is torn as I have wanted an offensive minded coach but seeing guys like Hackett and McDaniels stumble with two of the leagues most struggling offenses gives me pause. I'm still eager to see what Steve can do with this group the rest of the way.

If we were to hire Steichen, I'd give Steve Wilks a pretty decent chance of sticking around as part of the staff.

They worked together back in San Diego.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

This is really the only reason I would listen…the 2024 draft looks like it will have some very good QB prospects and Burns contract demands will be top DE money

The next year's QB class is a game the Huddle has been playing for 4-5 years now....

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

His actual production or what fans hope he can do?

uh oh

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, WUnderhill said:

Either way, the Raiders were just incompetent. The value of picks doesn’t change because an incompetent FO drafted poorly in the past.

Still are.

But I get what you mean.

[JawnyBlaze]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

The thing about Burns is, he's obviously a good player and he has had good production but can we honestly say that he has improved in any way since his rookie season?  We've been saying for years now "oh just wait til he takes that next step" but it's his 4th season and he seems like the exact same player to me.  Which is a very good one, but I'd be much more reluctant to trade him away if I felt confident that he has yet to reach his ceiling, which to be honest I'm not.

I disagree. His first season he was legitimately weak against the run. He didn’t set the edge, he focused on just being a pass rusher. Now he’s a strong pass rusher as well as a good run defender. The only metric by which he hasn’t improved much is the sack stat. There is much more to judge a DE by than sack numbers, despite what many here believe. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

The next year's QB class is a game the Huddle has been playing for 4-5 years now....

With similar results...

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

The thing about Burns is, he's obviously a good player and he has had good production but can we honestly say that he has improved in any way since his rookie season?  We've been saying for years now "oh just wait til he takes that next step" but it's his 4th season and he seems like the exact same player to me.  Which is a very good one, but I'd be much more reluctant to trade him away if I felt confident that he has yet to reach his ceiling, which to be honest I'm not.

This is true. But it can cut two ways as well. What are the odds that the next pass rusher we draft doesn't take that much time to develop as well? We all know the demand here is instant results. So we are waiting two years for the picks and then another 1-2 years minimum to see it pan out. Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say this beleaguered fanbase does not have the patience for that.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, WUnderhill said:

Either way, the Raiders were just incompetent. The value of picks doesn’t change because an incompetent FO drafted poorly in the past.

Almost 70% of the league doesnt hit on their first round picks.... especially if they are outside the top 8 picks in the draft. Its not imcompetence, its the field of talent drops off immenselt once you get into the mid first round. That's the point here. You take a great player like Burns... and then trade him in hopes that you hit when the odds arent in your favor. You go from a sure thing to a possibility. It's non sensical. Espeically if you have to wait two years before you find out. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

His actual production or what fans hope he can do?

Both. NFL teams are throwing us prime time offers because Burns is a prime time talent. Burns has a Panthers problem. The Panthers don't have a Burns problem.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

It was ran by Gruden. He had the same contract as Rhule. Full control. Mayock was head of scouting for him.

And now they've got Josh McDaniels with basically his handpicked GM.

It's almost like they see the Panthers of the last three years as a model franchise

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Both. NFL teams are throwing us prime time offers because Burns is a prime time talent. Burns has a Panthers problem. The Panthers don't have a Burns problem.

So Jamal Adams was worth it because the Seahawks were willing to give 2 1sts?

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Both. NFL teams are throwing us prime time offers because Burns is a prime time talent. Burns has a Panthers problem. The Panthers don't have a Burns problem.

We had Phil Snow dropping burns into coverage on almost 40% of the snaps and people in this thread are stating he isnt good because he doesnt have sacks. That has nothing to do with burns output.  He has been experimented in a difference defensive approach this year instead of putting him where he plays best.

[JawnyBlaze]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Burns is top 5 in the nfl against the run this year ... he is ascending. The guy is 24 and we are talking about him as if this is the end of growth. You are pulling the plug on what every tema wants.... a young player who is turning into an elite player on the field.

But the Huddle sez he is turrible against the run shirley you jest!

[frankw]

Just now, stbugs said:

We’ve been bitching about losing since November of 2018.

Sure it would be great to have extra picks earlier but if the Rams are going for broke and we are a team who can be patient (no coach or franchise QB), I’d be fond of getting a first when Stafford is 36 and has taken 2 more years of hits.

I just think we are crazy to overvalue Burns considering how much he’s about to cost. If Burns had 3 years left on his rookie deal, this would be a different discussion. He hasn’t been $10M a year and 2 1sts better than Reddick.

Also people said CMC was the reason we sucked so much so why does Burns get a pass for being 17-40 since he was drafted?

I don't overvalue him I already said if we are talking two firsts this year and next I'm listening. We're comparing Burns to CMC now? He definitely hasnt gotten a pass haha people have been complaining about him for months. Is every damn discussion about a player from here on going to go back to CMC? Let it go dude.