Ellis Williams. Char observer on top 4 QBs Note, This is not in depth

[Wundrbread33]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

Here's the problem: The average fan sees three or four "highlight reel" plays and they're ready to fit a guy for his gold jacket.

Scouts don't have that kind of luxury. They have to watch every single play of every game to get an idea of whether a guy can consistently play well rather than just flashing once in a while.

Hell, the worst quarterbacks / biggest draft busts in NFL history all have amazing college highlight reels that convinced people they were going to be phenomenal in the pros.

The additional problem with a portion of the Panthers fanbase is, even after all this time, they're still pining for Newton. So whenever they see an athletic quarterback they either think "Oh it's Cam, he's come back to us" or "Okay he's not Cam, but maybe we can coach him into being Cam".

In reality, the best thing you can do is stop looking for "the next Cam" (or the next anyone else, for that matter) and just start scouting quarterbacks on their own merits.

And to be clear, those merits start with their quarterback skills, not their athleticism.

It’s hard getting excited test driving Mustangs (2023 class) when you’ve owned (and totaled) a Ferrari (Cam).

 

*regarding physical gifts

 

Richardson is the most exciting, but he’s just a concept at an auto show. Barely assembled. 

[kungfoodude]

37 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

There's a whole side game of smoke screens and influencing other teams to reach for someone/have someone fall to them. I'm not buying anything sourced from teams pre draft

I would say this far out there is little chance of smokescreens. That does happen during the draft cycle.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

It’s hard getting excited test driving Mustangs (2023 class) when you’ve owned (and totaled) a Ferrari (Cam).

 

*regarding physical gifts

 

Richardson is the most exciting, but he’s just a concept at an auto show. Barely assembled. 

We wrecked our Ferrari, but have been stuck in a few Pinto rental cars since then.  I'll take the Mustang at this point....

[Wundrbread33]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We wrecked our Ferrari, but have been stuck in a few Pinto rental cars since then.  I'll take the Mustang at this point....

in a way we certainly have had our expectations recalibrated. 

[Jackie Lee]

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It’s more of an overall ranking then what you may consider a draft board.   But they are endlessly scouting and ranking.  

I'd say it being the last weekend of regular season college ball, I'd imagine at least the scouts would have a pretty solid idea which way they're leaning QB wise. Obviously they hand that over and then there's the combine and visits etc, but everyone except Stroud is finishing up their last weekend of college ball. 

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We wrecked our Ferrari, but have been stuck in a few Pinto rental cars since then.  I'll take the Mustang at this point....

How good is the Mustang really though?

Think of it this way. If you've got one receiver who runs a 4.3 40 but only catches about 50% of his passes and another who might run a 4.6 to 4.7 but catches every single ball that's thrown to him, which one are you depending on with a game on the line?

Likewise, if you have a field goal kicker who can kick the ball 70 yards but only makes around 50% of his field goals while another guy who can kick maybe 50 to 55 makes 80-90% of his, which one are you keeping?

Just like receiving, kicking, punting, etc, quarterbacking is a skill.

If you have that skill, lacking elite athleticism isn't going to stop you from being a winner.

And if you don't have that skill, being the greatest athlete in the world isn't going to help you.

[Mr. Scot]

38 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I'd say it being the last weekend of regular season college ball, I'd imagine at least the scouts would have a pretty solid idea which way they're leaning QB wise. Obviously they hand that over and then there's the combine and visits etc, but everyone except Stroud is finishing up their last weekend of college ball. 

The vast majority of NFL scouts are regional scouts. They scout certain teams or areas, but they don't necessarily talk to each other until not just the season, but also the Combine, workouts and pro days are over.

Scout X might be able to tell you everything you need to know about Bryce Young but not know jack sh-t about CJ Stroud because that's not his job. Maybe he's heard a thing or two second hand, but he's not an expert.

Once everything is complete, that's when the scouts and personnel people all get together and everyone gives their read and/or makes their case for (or sometimes against) the players they've scouted. Then as a group, they hash it out.

That's how draft boards get built.

And that's why expecting teams to have anything remotely resembling an idea of who they like best, second best, twelfth best or whatever at this time of year isn't realistic.

On top of all that, we don't even know who our coach is yet, so how the hell can we have any idea what kind of players we're looking for?

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How good is the Mustang really though?

Think of it this way. If you've got one receiver who runs a 4.3 40 but only catches about 50% of his passes and another who might run a 4.6 to 4.7 but catches every single ball that's thrown to him, which one are you depending on with a game on the line?

Likewise, if you have a field goal kicker who can kick the ball 70 yards but only makes around 50% of his field goals while another guy who can kick maybe 50 to 55 makes 80-90% of his, which one are you keeping?

Just like receiving, kicking, punting, etc, quarterbacking is a skill.

If you have that skill, lacking elite athleticism isn't going to stop you from being a winner.

And if you don't have that skill, being the greatest athlete in the world isn't going to help you.

Huh? I am just implying that an average QB would look better than what we have put on the field lately. Didn’t name a specific prospect. 
I’m also waiting on you to tell me who you like in this draft. It’s easy to sit back and counter other people’s picks without having any skin in the game….

[FugginPoo]

Only 6 more months of these threads 

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, FugginPoo said:

Only 6 more months of these threads 

If the team had a QB these threads wouldn’t need to be made.

[Aussie Tank]

Who ever we draft just give the man weapons and quality game plans please 

[bythenbrs]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. Yeah, I get the size concerns with Young. Yeah I get the concerns that Stroud might not translate if he was on a lesser team. Yeah, I fully get that Richardson is boom or bust. But damn it, at some point you gotta take your swing. If you whiff swing again.

None of the best young QBs currently in the league were slam dunk prospects. They all had significant question marks.

Trading back in R1 this year and grabbing Richardson if he’s still available makes the boom or bust outcome more attractive, provided we do something intelligent with the additional picks.  I think the argument that having more swings at bat makes good sense and good risk management.

[SOJA]

I don't think it's the right choice but even before this article I can see us falling in love with Levis. I don't like him. I hope I'm wrong 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Huh? I am just implying that an average QB would look better than what we have put on the field lately. Didn’t name a specific prospect. 
I’m also waiting on you to tell me who you like in this draft. It’s easy to sit back and counter other people’s picks without having any skin in the game….

No denying we've had subpar play.

And I'm still waiting to actually like somebody in this draft.

There's just not anybody I have a high amount of faith in at this point. And picking somebody just to pick somebody isn't my thing.