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Steve Wilks has proved he has what it takes to be HC

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43 minutes ago, onmyown said:

But they’re not speculation/opinions, there is plenty of evidence based on historical facts and examples from being HC already.

Your measuring stick is Rhule, and what he brought to this fanbase, as evident by what you’re saying so your opinion is already kind of skewed. This board always has these bipolar, exception to the rule and larger sample of evidence takes/reactions and this is one.

And I personally would rather have a defensive coach.

But barring a playoff win, I do not think the best coach available for the job miraculously also happens to be our interim HC.

 

If you want to hold what happened in Zona on Wilks, that's fine. But if you look at it fairly, he was set up to fail. They wanted Kingsbury. 

 

I never brought up Rhule, not sure where you are getting that? 

 

Lots of ppl that don't want Wilks as our next coach. Doesn't not automatically mean the rest of us are wrong.

 

You are acting like you already know what's going to happen, and basing it on a lot of elements outside Wilks control.

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15 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

 

I don't get this place sometimes. If we win a game it is because they sucked, if we lose a game it is because we suck. Wilks is automatically a Rivera/Fox clone. Wilks isn't an Xs and Os coach. We will be out-schemed. All things that are opinion/speculation based, stated as fact.

 

Wilks, because he is a Defensive Coach is going to be unable to fill out a proper Offensive staff, is another one.

 

The way the team is playing, you have to give Wilks his due. And if we continue to win? Things are gonna be right interesting up in here.

 

There are a whole bunch of ppl excited for Panther football right now. Been a while since we could say that with a straight face. lol And a large part of the credit HAS to go to Wilks. IMO

McAdoo is running Wilkes scheme not necessarily what he wants to run. And that scheme is run heavy smash mouth ground and pound. Defensive minded head coaches go for controlling the clock with safe plays to minimize mistakes. Offensive minded coaches like high octane systems designed to score points regardless of time of possession. The things fans want.  So I can see why folks want an offensive minded coach. Not just the ability to build an exciting offense but the emphasis on quick scoring over controlling the clock with boring running plays.

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2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

If Wilks wins out. There's no doubt in my mind this is our next HC. If he isn't we deserve to be in HC purgatory for a decade.

I don't see a win out scenario as a 100% commitment. It's not a outstanding accomplishment. It's just beating bad teams. We still have a really easy schedule and it's definitely not a murderer row by any means. 

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46 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

McAdoo is running Wilkes scheme not necessarily what he wants to run. And that scheme is run heavy smash mouth ground and pound. Defensive minded head coaches go for controlling the clock with safe plays to minimize mistakes. Offensive minded coaches like high octane systems designed to score points regardless of time of possession. The things fans want.  So I can see why folks want an offensive minded coach. Not just the ability to build an exciting offense but the emphasis on quick scoring over controlling the clock with boring running plays.

Is that really Wilks scheme? He has zero knowledge of offensive football. I think they are more likely working to a common goal. That's play to the strength of the team while limiting the weaknesses. It's not a revolutionary concept but it's a successful one most of the time if you want to beat bad teams. 

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2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

If Wilks wins out. There's no doubt in my mind this is our next HC. If he isn't we deserve to be in HC purgatory for a decade.

If he finishes with a convincingly winning record with this crew of QBs even if we miss the playoffs, I think he at least gets a real chance in an interview. I think it's likely we have one loss down the stretch and miss the playoffs but he gets brought back on a 2 year deal.

My huge concern with Wilks is and will be the offense - but, I am very impressed with him as a coach so far. I just really wanted an offensive minded coach last time and I still do.

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48 minutes ago, Snake said:

Is that really Wilks scheme? He has zero knowledge of offensive football. I think they are more likely working to a common goal. That's play to the strength of the team while limiting the weaknesses. It's not a revolutionary concept but it's a successful one most of the time if you want to beat bad teams. 

Do we know this for sure ?  Not saying he'd ever run an offense himself, but he's a smart dude and has been around the NFL for some time...

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9 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Do we know this for sure ?  Not saying he'd ever run an offense himself, but he's a smart dude and has been around the NFL for some time...

He may have a understanding but so did Rhule. Big difference in understanding and having a high level knowledge. People want to poo on McAdoo but he does know the offensive side of the ball and it's highly likely Wilks defers to him to complete a NFL offensive scheme. That's what Rhule couldn't do. 

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He may have a understanding but so did Rhule. Big difference in understanding and having a high level knowledge. People want to poo on McAdoo but he does know the offensive side of the ball and it's highly likely Wilks defers to him to complete a NFL offensive scheme. That's what Rhule couldn't do. 

I have no doubt McAdoo has more fine scale knowledge of an NFL offense than Wilks, but that isn't what you said.

Regarding comparisons with Rhule, I don't think it's fair to put Rhule and Wilks in the same category of knowledge on the offense... If nothing else than having been around the NFL for longer I suspect Wilks picked up more... 

But I also think good defense coaches do need to know the offense well... They have to scheme against them after all. It doesn't mean he can come up with great new schemes on his own, or has the same knowledge as an OC that's been in the league since probably before half our posters were born etc but this is again not what you said...

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19 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I have no doubt McAdoo has more fine scale knowledge of an NFL offense than Wilks, but that isn't what you said.

Regarding comparisons with Rhule, I don't think it's fair to put Rhule and Wilks in the same category of knowledge on the offense... If nothing else than having been around the NFL for longer I suspect Wilks picked up more... 

But I also think good defense coaches do need to know the offense well... They have to scheme against them after all. It doesn't mean he can come up with great new schemes on his own, or has the same knowledge as an OC that's been in the league since probably before half our posters were born etc but this is again not what you said...

What I said is he doesn't have knowledge of offenses. Then I elaborated. Sorry you don't like that but everything I said is true. You don't just "pick up" knowledge of NFL offensive schemes. It's not something you just magically become good at just like a offensive guy doesn't magically become a good defensive guy. That's why NFL HC need to choose their OC and DC wisely. Because they are the specialist and they make or break a team. No amount of round about knowledge is going to change that. The reason Wilks has had any success is because of McAdoo and Holcomb. They are the guys that are putting in the labour and coming up with the schemes. It's sad you have been on this board this long and don't understand that. A HC 8s just a manager and sometimes a play caller. Those are not easy skills either but without quality schemes it doesn't really matter much as well. Give McAdoo his credit and stop living in a fantasy land where Wilks is some ultra multitasking HC. 

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17 minutes ago, Snake said:

What I said is he doesn't have knowledge of offenses. Then I elaborated. Sorry you don't like that but everything I said is true. You don't just "pick up" knowledge of NFL offensive schemes. It's not something you just magically become good at just like a offensive guy doesn't magically become a good defensive guy. That's why NFL HC need to choose their OC and DC wisely. Because they are the specialist and they make or break a team. No amount of round about knowledge is going to change that. The reason Wilks has had any success is because of McAdoo and Holcomb. They are the guys that are putting in the labour and coming up with the schemes. It's sad you have been on this board this long and don't understand that. A HC 8s just a manager and sometimes a play caller. Those are not easy skills either but without quality schemes it doesn't really matter much as well. Give McAdoo his credit and stop living in a fantasy land where Wilks is some ultra multitasking HC. 

You legit said "Wilks doesn't know anything about NFL offenses," then admitted right after he did have an understanding of them when it was pointed out how dumb that is.

Of course he's letting his coordinators coordinate. Are you saying he doesn't know anything about NFL defenses, either? 🤣. Saying HCs need good coordinators is not the same as saying an HC needs a coordinator because they "know nothing about" the offensive/defensive side of the ball.

See, the Huddle is a place you can't just interpret everything ridiculous as hyperbole.  You can admit you were exaggerating for effect, it's ok.

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