Alternative options for head coach

[Aussie Tank]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

We were pretty good when Wilkes was here the first time.

The defense took a step back when he took over from McDermott. Prime Cam Newton and prime Luke masked a lot in the Ron Rivera era 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

The defense took a step back when he took over from McDermott. Prime Cam Newton and prime Luke masked a lot in the Ron Rivera era 

McDermott struggled when he first got here. It is pretty normal for new guys to take time to develop players they want for their scheme. And remember how Gettlemen used to change out players like you do on madden and chemistry was always an issue. We changed corners every year. Wilkes has done a good job with what he had to work with.

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Let someone else take the chance for once and get someone who learned the ropes on someone else's roster.

That's the philosophy we've been using at quarterback for the past three years too.

Hasn't gone so well

[jamos14]

I don't feel like doing the research here but what retread coach has been successful in the NFL?

Belichick and Andy Reid are outliers.  

I feel like almost every great coach is one that's given his shot and then nails it.   Most coaches that were fired from their first job are the same coach at their second one.

 

 

[panthers55]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's the philosophy we've been using at quarterback for the past three years too.

Hasn't gone so well

Fitterer did the draft and free agency this year and likely will draft another QB this year if he finds a gem falling. But coaching is different. You need an experienced coach who can develop your players and get the best out of them by effort or scheme, hopefully both. But is that the job of the head coach or the coordinator and qb coach.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, jamos14 said:

I don't feel like doing the research here but what retread coach has been successful in the NFL?

Belichick and Andy Reid are outliers.  

I feel like almost every great coach is one that's given his shot and then nails it.   Most coaches that were fired from their first job are the same coach at their second one.

 

 

While you are at how about doing the same for guys with no head coach experience who come in and do great right off the bat. You don't have to go back further than Rhule and Wilkes to see how that worked out in their first gig. I suspect that there have been a bunch of guys with no head coach experience who flamed out at this first gig.

Edited December 16, 2022 by panthers55

[jamos14]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

While you are at how about doing the same for guys with no head coach experience who come in and do great right off the bat. You don't have to go back further than Rhule and Wilkes to see how that worked out in their first gig. I suspect that there have been a bunch of guys with no head coach experience who flamed out at this first gig.

Sure.  But it's just like a franchise QB.  The good ones are drafted.  You have to take a risk to nail it.

Same applies with coaches.  Most aren't successful but you have to take your chance on greatness instead of settling for a guy who wasn't horrible in his first opportunity.

Just IMO.   

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, jamos14 said:

I don't feel like doing the research here but what retread coach has been successful in the NFL?

Belichick and Andy Reid are outliers.  

I feel like almost every great coach is one that's given his shot and then nails it.   Most coaches that were fired from their first job are the same coach at their second one.

Several, honestly. Marv Levy is a good example, Dick Vermeil an even better one. And it's worth noting that Reid is also an example of a coach who came in and was successful from the beginning.

What you'll additionally find If you look closely is that none of the successful retreads won a championship at their first stop. On the flipside, you'll find the coaches who have won championships then moved on have never duplicated that success at their next team, or even successive teams (like Parcells, for example).

I tend to prefer first time coaches, but if you do want a retread, you want one like Frank Reich or even Steve Wilks, not one like Sean Payton.

[Snake]

13 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

The defense took a step back when he took over from McDermott. Prime Cam Newton and prime Luke masked a lot in the Ron Rivera era 

Most definitely true. It's was stated many times Wilks was unorthodox because of his lack of knowledge. It worked at first and then was exposed pretty badly. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Several, honestly. Marv Levy is a good example, Dick Vermeil an even better one. And it's worth noting that Reid is also an example of a coach who came in and was successful from the beginning.

What you'll additionally find If you look closely is that none of the successful retreads won a championship at their first stop. On the flipside, you'll find the coaches who have won championships then moved on have never duplicated that success at their next team, or even successive teams (like Parcells, for example).

I tend to prefer first time coaches, but if you do want a retread, you want one like Frank Reich or even Steve Wilks, not one like Sean Payton.

Absolutely, especially when you realize that Payton won his SB in some really suspicious terms. 

[CMAC22]

If Wilks isn't retained my candidates in no particular order!

Bills OC Ken Dorsey, Cowboys OC Kellen Moore, Eagles OC Shane Steichen, Former Colts HC Frank Reich, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans

[panthersphan]

Frank Reich?? No thanks...

[MHS831]

Hey guys, maybe there are some good college coaches available. 

[musicman]

On 12/16/2022 at 7:17 AM, jamos14 said:

I don't feel like doing the research here but what retread coach has been successful in the NFL?

Belichick and Andy Reid are outliers.  

I feel like almost every great coach is one that's given his shot and then nails it.   Most coaches that were fired from their first job are the same coach at their second one.

 

 

Belichick struggled with the Browns, before going to the Jets for a day, then Pats. Raid did good in Philly, they just jumped too fast.

Most OCs are good OCs because they can manipulate plays, angles, timing, etc. A head Coach is so much more. It's a Parcell guy who can motivate and keep it all together and lean on his OC & DC to handle the job, while supporting them and knowing what to do at times. Wilks is our guy.