Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The Ravens can’t be this dumb? They’re a smart organization right?


TheBigKat
 Share

Recommended Posts

12 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Lamar has a 75% win percentage as a starter.

 

Lamar is in the same situation as Cam. Franchise ask them to do it by yourself don't get him weapons than when it's time to pay they give you a joke of an offer 133mil guaranteed.

 

Lamar now says since you guys don't want to give me weapons just give me all my money.

 

I think they are going to let him test the market and if a team offers him more than they are willing to pay he's gone.

The Ravens won before him, and will do so after if he doesn't want to play under their terms.  I don't normally talk about winning % when it comes to QB's....and it really doesn't help when said team wins the same amount of games with you as they do without you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What have the Ravens done to help Lamar?

 

They had him on a rookie contract and they didn't spend money to surround him with weapons. Now Lamar wants all his money because they aren't using it to help him.

 

Ravens are simply a cheap franchise.

You've asked this and been answered so many times it's ridiculous. It's just never the answer you want. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So the Ravens will be screwed by not signing him to the deal he hopes to get, saving all that money, and then taking their two picks someone gives them?

Add that to this year’s 1st they can replace him with the 1st overall pick on a 5 year rooking deal. I’d not feel too screwed.  

I’d feel screwed if an injury prone player successfully held me hostage for a fully guaranteed king’s ransome.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What have the Ravens done to help Lamar?

 

They had him on a rookie contract and they didn't spend money to surround him with weapons. Now Lamar wants all his money because they aren't using it to help him.

 

Ravens are simply a cheap franchise.

Are you his mom, I mean agent? What are you asking me for? I do not work for the Ravens.  His value is what someone is willing to pay him period.  His own team set his value to them at 133 mil guaranteed.  You need to get pissed at the Ravens and not me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

So the Ravens will be screwed by not signing him to the deal he hopes to get, saving all that money, and then taking their two picks someone gives them?

Add that to this year’s 1st they can replace him with the 1st overall pick on a 5 year rooking deal. I’d not feel too screwed.  

I’d feel screwed if an injury prone player successfully held me hostage for a fully guaranteed king’s ransome.

I've been wondering for a while whether the Ravens were sold on continuing on with Jackson once his contract wound down.

People get enamored with him because he is exciting to watch.  Unlike a lot of QBs that can run, he is a good NFL passer.......right up until the playoffs start.  Then his passing numbers take a dramatic downturn.  I know, I know, the Ravens didn't do enough to put talent around him.  But it is the same talent that led to better passing production and efficiency from him during the regular season.  Once the playoffs start, his completion percentage drops a bit, but his interception rate goes up, his TD rate drops to about a third, and his sack percentage goes up quite a bit.

Granted, that is not all on him, but the difference when the playoffs start is that you can expect to see the opponents defense bring their "A game."  Both in execution and the game plan.  Thus far, Jackson's counter has not lived up to the spotlight.

If you are sitting in the Ravens' chair, you begin to wonder if he can get it done when the playoffs start.  In fairness, that collar is often unfair to put on somebody.  The Cowboys wonder(ed) the same thing about Prescott, but the difference is, Dak's playoff numbers aren't dramatically different than his regular season numbers.  The difference is Dak's lower numbers are within the realm of opposing defenses just being stingier in the playoffs.  Lamar's dropoff is more than that, whether that is on him, playing through injuries, his OC's and their game plans, or the rest of the team fading around him.

This may be a pending divorce that has been a longer time in the making than some realize.

 

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So Lamar is just another QB let him go.

 

We will see how it plays out.

No, he's a QB that is hard to defend, and can make things happen when he's on the field, but he's off the field too much, and he's asking for top of the heap money while negotiating for himself in his about his 2nd contract.

 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People ask football questions on this board my man.

 

Also who is pissed?

 

 

I answered said question for you. You've been ranting for weeks on behalf of Lamar.  I think you are a bit perturbed that we are not taking up arms on his behalf along with you.

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

top dawg, you know QBs do not play each other.  Straw man. 
I think Mr fuzz is pretty straight on it. 
 

For me, I’d elaborate to include Lamar isn’t getting any younger, and when you factor in the style of play (that is what he is basing his pitch on, it’s his game). 
The style is risky, and worse: the effect seems to be cumulative, it compounds the issue the farther into the career you go. Or can, and the issue is total hits, you know, how long can a player go before a breakdown or a decline maybe I should say. 
When these numbers mount up they start to matter. Games, hits, pulls, strains, tears, concussions, whatever other metric you want to use. Miles. 

If he retracts a part of his game that contributed to his value, the team will be paying more and probably a lot more, for less. Some kind of less. TBD. But also to be expected. At some point in that contract he is liable to no longer be the guy he is today or may be next year. You know what I am saying? 
We watched Cam. 20 million a year and That roster spot, we were lucky. Now it is 45 million. Guaranteed too. 
Were I Baltimore I would franchise, franchise, release before I would sign the deal he is demanding. Or let someone give me the picks and financial flexibility to get the next QB and reset the clock.

If I were owner I would try to reason with him, and ask him not to back me into a corner.  
 

edit to add: I wrote from a Baltimore viewpoint, same goes for us, scepter we can’t franchise him obviously. I am bout to beg people to reclaim their senses and get out of this desperation ‘at all costs’ mentality that’s going around. Read a list of busted top ten picks or something. 

Edited by stratocatter
  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If they get 2 1sts for Lamar and someone else meets his demands they will jump all over that. 

Because Lamar hasn't finished the season in 3 of the last 5 years. So if his "prime" is being injured, I'd hate to see what the 2nd half of his career looks like. Who is paying a QB $250,000,000, guaranteed, to ride a bike?

Can you imagine? Just imagine. They have literally NO incentive to either want to play or work to restructure their deal. You won't be able to offload their contract because no one else will trade for that. And he plays a style of ball that will not translate well at all to aging. He is like a bottom 10 passer in the league as backed up by advanced statistics and is oft injured.

Good luck Lamar. It's not racist to not want to give you the Brinks truck because while effective when on the field, you have to be on the field to be worth the cash. I see his injury issues stacking up rather than magically disappearing. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Exactly what I was going to say. Brady seems to be taking a page out of Olsen's playbook, which is probably a good thing. They'll probably get around to giving Brady an Emmy one day, and he should thank Olsen for giving him the blueprint for success.
    • In before: "XL sucks, there is no hope." "As long as we have Bryce, none of this matters." My response: "It's X, not XL...we're not discussing apparel sizes, or we'd have to consider XS."  
    • Alain Pierre provides some food for thought on Last Word On Sports regarding Xavier Legette, and his article, though specifically on X, kind of puts me in the mind of QBs being overdrafted and put into situations that they're not prepared for, some ultimately failing due to drafting missteps by front offices who don't necessarily view prospective players within the contextual importance that situations demand.  At this point, Legette looks like a failure in reference to expectations, of not only what a consistently productive NFL receiver looks like, but a first round pick (which he obviously should never have been). But the story on X isn't necessarily completely over. Damn. I seem to be experiencing deja vu...It wasn't X's fault that he was overdrafted, that was a choice by an FO that obviously downplayed actual realized skill vs outstanding measurables and upside. Sure, the FO was impressed by X's one-year feats during his senior season at South Carolina, but it was the NFL god, RAS (a.k.a. Raw Athletic Score), that had Dave Canales's and Dan Morgan's jaws dropping in amazement at the sight of X running around in underwear at the Combine...   "At 6-foot-3 and over 220 pounds, Legette brought rare athletic upside to the position. His breakout season at South Carolina showed flashes of dominance that NFL teams dream of. Projecting forward, many scouts compared his physical profile to D.K. Metcalf, and the Panthers clearly believed they could develop him into a true wide receiver 1 over time. The issue was never his talent. The issue was the timeline. Just a few picks later, the Chargers selected Ladd McConkey, a receiver who may have lacked Xavier Legette’s physical ceiling but entered the league far more technically refined. McConkey immediately showed advanced route discipline, leverage awareness, good pacing, and separation ability.  Bryce Young’s game has always depended on timing and anticipation. His best football at Alabama came with receivers capable of winning through precision rather than pure athleticism. Jameson Williams and John Metchie III were excellent route runners and were able to get drafted in 2022. McConkey naturally fit that style of play. Legette, meanwhile, needed significant development in the exact areas where Bryce Young needed help. The Panthers drafted traits when Bryce Young needed reliability."   Yes, the FO was guilty. The good thing is that the execs appear to be improving. Some of that may be attributed to the hiring of Eric Eager (who was hired right after the Xavier Legette draft). Eager seems to have helped the Panthers FO fine-tune their analytical progress, and, at least on paper, they acquired players with a lot of value during the last draft in regards to actually (what I'll refer to as) "underdrafting" talent relative to their position with value already built in.  Look at Chris Brazzell: He may be more of the quintessential project receiver who was arguably more or less just as raw as Legette was when he was drafted, and with a relatively high RAS as well. The notable difference is value, as Brazzell was a round three pick and Legette was a first rounder.    "Unlike the Xavier Legette situation, Carolina’s environment for Brazzell is completely different. "The Panthers are not asking a raw receiver prospect to stabilize this offense for Bryce Young. "Brazzell enters a much healthier developmental situation with far less pressure. With Tetairoa McMillan established as the primary target and Jalen Coker continuing to settle as the number 2 option...Xavier Legette, Metchie III, and Jimmy Horn Jr. are also still in this rotation, fighting for reps. "It gives Carolina something they failed to give Legette when they drafted him: A developmental runway. "Xavier Legette entered the league with expectations attached to a first-round pick and an offense desperate for answers. Brazzell enters a room where he can spend a year working on his route running, learning the playbook, and earning snaps gradually rather than being asked to become part of Bryce Young’s solution immediately. "And truthfully, Brazzell needs that time coming out of college. Despite his elite physical tools, many evaluators have several concerns about his overall polish as a receiver. "His route tree at Tennessee was viewed as fairly limited due to the type of offense that they run. The receivers are expected to run a lot of choice routes, which are dictated by the placement of the defenders. It doesn’t require technical route-running and an understanding of the playbook needed at the NFL level...   "Context changes significantly when expectations change. "The Panthers are not depending on Brazzell to save the offense. They can allow him to develop slowly, expand his route tree, improve his technical refinement, and learn behind a much more stable receiver room... "Traits become much easier to bet on when patience is built into the plan."   It's all about understanding your situation. I don't agree that it's an inherently difficult choice like the author is suggesting in the following excerpt. At the very least, I think that it should be easier as long as all parties involved stay levelheaded and true to their process.    "That is what makes these draft decisions so difficult. "Every front office believes it can find the next Metcalf, Owens, or Marshall. Sometimes they do. More often, they are betting on a development path that may take years to complete. "The challenge is understanding what your offense needs right now. "If a team has patience, stability, and a quarterback capable of carrying the offense while a receiver develops, betting on traits can make sense. But if a young quarterback needs immediate help, there is a strong argument for prioritizing the receiver who already knows how to separate, create throwing , and earn trust from day one. "That’s why the Xavier Legette-Ladd McConkey debate remains so fascinating. "It was never really a discussion about talent. It was a discussion about timing."   For me, Ladd McConkey was talented enough in his own right, that the gap--the upside--was never as big as people are suggesting between not only McConkey and Legette, but McConkey and other receivers drafted in the first round during that draft. The technique divide between Ladd and X was pretty stark though, as was the roughly 35 pounds, but the speed was identical, the maybe 1½ height difference isn't huge (6' and 6'1"), and it may surprise some that Ladd's RAS (9.34) was also enough to put him in the top 10 percent of receivers since 1987. There is an argument that he would've been a better pick for Bryce and the Panthers, regardless of timeline and talent. But, I still appreciate the thesis (if you will) of the article, as it still provides some hope--perhaps a glimmer at this point, that X's RAS may finally translate to the NFL given more time, but, perhaps more importantly, it explains how Dan Morgan and company are showing improvement, even if it appears somewhat understated. My hope is that continued improvement is palpable by this time next year. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2026/05/30/xavier-legette-draft-lessons/#google_vignette        
×
×
  • Create New...