Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Is Bryce a #1 prospect if he didn’t go to Bama?


Wundrbread33
 Share

Is Bryce Young a #1 prospect if he didn’t go to Bama?  

80 members have voted

  1. 1. Well?

    • Yay
      61
    • Nay
      19


Recommended Posts

14 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t understand? Where are you assuming he ends up in this scenario? He was a top recruit so is it UGA? OSU? USC? Oregon?

Whoops I forgot to respond. It’s unrealistic to imagine him at Western Kentucky or something, so maybe if he went to Mizzou, Ole Miss, Kentucky, etc. 

 

Middle SEC squad. An 8+ win major school. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:


On the flip flip side, if Stroud doesn’t play out of his mind the final game of his college career which he had two weeks to prepare for, he might be a borderline top ten pick.


 

can’t edit so I’ll try this….CJ actually had over a month to prepare for Georgia 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No clue. That's the big question marks on all the QBs coming out of the dominant blue chip programs. What will they look like when their team isn't head and shoulders better than their competition nearly every week? And yeah, I know Bama didn't have their usual talent but let's be honest? How many better rosters were there in college football? Honestly probably fewer than 5.

If you factor in both sides of the ball there's 1 - Georgia.

If you're just talking offence there's 2 - Georgia and Ohio St.

Everyone else is playing for 4th place and is some way behind.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:


On the flip flip side, if Stroud doesn’t play out of his mind the final game of his college career which he had two weeks to prepare for, he might be a borderline top ten pick.

Does that account for Stroud's stats being significantly better than Young's this year?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Answers an easy “It Depends” for me. I think like I’m the NFL where you go impacts your development a lot. Bryce found a home with a coach that doesn’t generally let assumptions and priors dictate what he does. Saban wants to win and will do anything to do it.
 

That probably did give Bryce a better opportunity to get the starting job as the Great Filter for short QBs is ever present in High School and College. A lot of coaches would have gotten nervous about his size and found ways to pass him over or tried to move him to a new position. 

Also him succeeding in the SEC at a premier school does give some weight to his size doesn’t matter arguments. Saban got him an OC with pro roots and trusted him to help teach O Brien what Alabama likes to do, and I’m sure O’Brien taught Bryce a ton on what it is to be a legit QB prospect.

Does Bryce get that opportunity at a smaller school? Doubtful good coaches look for good programs, so in a self fulfilling prophecy kind of way being a top end recruit gives you access to top end coaches and playing time at top programs which adds to your development.

CJ and Bryce were blessed with what they were surrounded by but they also had to develop, they both had to compete against other top QBs and take that spot. I think holding either a teams against them is short sighted. They may not have ascended to where they are but I think they both could easily have found their way into the debate at a smaller school. It may have been less clear though.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Whoops I forgot to respond. It’s unrealistic to imagine him at Western Kentucky or something, so maybe if he went to Mizzou, Ole Miss, Kentucky, etc. 

 

Middle SEC squad. An 8+ win major school. 

Hmm that makes it interesting, but being a top recruit out of HS and going to a SEC School would still get him a lot of TV time.  Ole Miss started off hot and loss 4 of the last 5 games.  I think Young is a lot better than Dart so they probably win 2 or more of those losses.  Getting them ranked high and possibly in the playoffs after being a top ranked recruit would definitely get the media's attention.  I would think he still probably is in consideration if he went there.  Eli made it happen, but he had the Manning name.

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Hmm that makes it interesting, but being a top recruit out of HS and going to a SEC School would still get him a lot of TV time.  Ole Miss started off hot and loss 4 of the last 5 games.  I think Young is a lot better than Dart so they probably win 2 or more of those losses.  Getting them ranked high and possibly in the playoffs after being a top ranked recruit would definitely get the media's attention.  I would think he still probably is in consideration if he went there.  Eli made it happen, but he had the Manning name.

Yeah I guess another angle would be to tackle Mac Jones in the same way. He was a relatively high recruit, wasn’t physically impressive, but performed well at Bama. 
 

Wonder if he would have been a 1st rounder had he QB’d Mizzou. 
 

Ultimately I know it’s impossible to know, but I wish there was a way to quantify how much being at Bama/Ohio St. adds to the prestige of a prospect outside of their actual ability and performance. 
 

And let’s say if Bryce did in fact lose draft position if he was at Ole Miss., it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a great pro. If being at Ole Miss got him drafted 20th or in the 2nd round, he might still end up the best QB in the draft. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, SOJA said:

got to be honest, besides Gibbs Bama had a really down year last year in terms of talent. That elevates Bryce even more in my eyes. He kinda was the team last year

That’s fair, but some prospects get elevated for that, and some get punished. 
 

Sam Howell is the counter example. Highly touted two years ago. His weapons all got drafted. He still performed rather well, had to run more, just not as good (understandable), and then he falls from grace. 
 

It’s inconsistent (not saying you are, just the “draft narrative” stuff as a whole).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

53 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:


On the flip flip side, if Stroud doesn’t play out of his mind the final game of his college career which he had two weeks to prepare for, he might be a borderline top ten pick.

He was still a notch above the rest of the prospects this season even without that game. Maybe he wouldn't have been considered for #1 overall, though. Playing great in a big game always looks good for QB prospects. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Yeah I guess another angle would be to tackle Mac Jones in the same way. He was a relatively high recruit, wasn’t physically impressive, but performed well at Bama. 
 

Wonder if he would have been a 1st rounder had he QB’d Mizzou. 
 

Ultimately I know it’s impossible to know, but I wish there was a way to quantify how much being at Bama/Ohio St. adds to the prestige of a prospect outside of their actual ability and performance. 
 

And let’s say if Bryce did in fact lose draft position if he was at Ole Miss., it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a great pro. If being at Ole Miss got him drafted 20th or in the 2nd round, he might still end up the best QB in the draft. 

Yeah especially when you mentioned Kentucky.  Levis gets a bad rap on this board, but he had nothing outside of a decent RB on that roster.  Young might end up injured behind that Kentucky OL.  Like you said it's hard to tell outside of an educated guess.

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

The Office Smirk GIF

The question kinda answers itself.

 

 

NO. Wouldn't have time to throw or scramble with dudes in his face instantly. You got to stand up read, fire. CJ is great at that. You can't improv in the NFL, especially at his size/height, that gets dangerous.

NFL isn't a game gentleman, it's WAR. I straight up have serious concerns for his health.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

36 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Does that account for Stroud's stats being significantly better than Young's this year?


show me which stats are significantly better

 

And it does matter Stroud was throwing to a generational WR in Marvin Harrison Jr. and the top WR in this draft’s class as well. Meanwhile Young was throwing to the equivalent of Philly Brown and Brenton Bersin last year, so take the raw stats with bag of salt.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Kind of a confusing take considering Alabama isn’t exactly known for getting QBs drafted even in the first round until just the past few years with Tua and Mac Jones. Has Alabama ever had a QB go #1?

Yes. His 2022 Bama team was defined by poor oline pass blocking, poor rb blitz pickups, and mediocre receivers.  This would be a better question if he came out in '21 with a much better oline and wr's. Essentially '21 Bama = '22 Ohio State so the better question is whether CJ would be a no. 1 prospect if he had not attended OSU. Both inquiries are off though as they both distanced themselves from the rest of the field. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Exactly what I was going to say. Brady seems to be taking a page out of Olsen's playbook, which is probably a good thing. They'll probably get around to giving Brady an Emmy one day, and he should thank Olsen for giving him the blueprint for success.
    • In before: "XL sucks, there is no hope." "As long as we have Bryce, none of this matters." My response: "It's X, not XL...we're not discussing apparel sizes, or we'd have to consider XS."  
    • Alain Pierre provides some food for thought on Last Word On Sports regarding Xavier Legette, and his article, though specifically on X, kind of puts me in the mind of QBs being overdrafted and put into situations that they're not prepared for, some ultimately failing due to drafting missteps by front offices who don't necessarily view prospective players within the contextual importance that situations demand.  At this point, Legette looks like a failure in reference to expectations, of not only what a consistently productive NFL receiver looks like, but a first round pick (which he obviously should never have been). But the story on X isn't necessarily completely over. Damn. I seem to be experiencing deja vu...It wasn't X's fault that he was overdrafted, that was a choice by an FO that obviously downplayed actual realized skill vs outstanding measurables and upside. Sure, the FO was impressed by X's one-year feats during his senior season at South Carolina, but it was the NFL god, RAS (a.k.a. Raw Athletic Score), that had Dave Canales's and Dan Morgan's jaws dropping in amazement at the sight of X running around in underwear at the Combine...   "At 6-foot-3 and over 220 pounds, Legette brought rare athletic upside to the position. His breakout season at South Carolina showed flashes of dominance that NFL teams dream of. Projecting forward, many scouts compared his physical profile to D.K. Metcalf, and the Panthers clearly believed they could develop him into a true wide receiver 1 over time. The issue was never his talent. The issue was the timeline. Just a few picks later, the Chargers selected Ladd McConkey, a receiver who may have lacked Xavier Legette’s physical ceiling but entered the league far more technically refined. McConkey immediately showed advanced route discipline, leverage awareness, good pacing, and separation ability.  Bryce Young’s game has always depended on timing and anticipation. His best football at Alabama came with receivers capable of winning through precision rather than pure athleticism. Jameson Williams and John Metchie III were excellent route runners and were able to get drafted in 2022. McConkey naturally fit that style of play. Legette, meanwhile, needed significant development in the exact areas where Bryce Young needed help. The Panthers drafted traits when Bryce Young needed reliability."   Yes, the FO was guilty. The good thing is that the execs appear to be improving. Some of that may be attributed to the hiring of Eric Eager (who was hired right after the Xavier Legette draft). Eager seems to have helped the Panthers FO fine-tune their analytical progress, and, at least on paper, they acquired players with a lot of value during the last draft in regards to actually (what I'll refer to as) "underdrafting" talent relative to their position with value already built in.  Look at Chris Brazzell: He may be more of the quintessential project receiver who was arguably more or less just as raw as Legette was when he was drafted, and with a relatively high RAS as well. The notable difference is value, as Brazzell was a round three pick and Legette was a first rounder.    "Unlike the Xavier Legette situation, Carolina’s environment for Brazzell is completely different. "The Panthers are not asking a raw receiver prospect to stabilize this offense for Bryce Young. "Brazzell enters a much healthier developmental situation with far less pressure. With Tetairoa McMillan established as the primary target and Jalen Coker continuing to settle as the number 2 option...Xavier Legette, Metchie III, and Jimmy Horn Jr. are also still in this rotation, fighting for reps. "It gives Carolina something they failed to give Legette when they drafted him: A developmental runway. "Xavier Legette entered the league with expectations attached to a first-round pick and an offense desperate for answers. Brazzell enters a room where he can spend a year working on his route running, learning the playbook, and earning snaps gradually rather than being asked to become part of Bryce Young’s solution immediately. "And truthfully, Brazzell needs that time coming out of college. Despite his elite physical tools, many evaluators have several concerns about his overall polish as a receiver. "His route tree at Tennessee was viewed as fairly limited due to the type of offense that they run. The receivers are expected to run a lot of choice routes, which are dictated by the placement of the defenders. It doesn’t require technical route-running and an understanding of the playbook needed at the NFL level...   "Context changes significantly when expectations change. "The Panthers are not depending on Brazzell to save the offense. They can allow him to develop slowly, expand his route tree, improve his technical refinement, and learn behind a much more stable receiver room... "Traits become much easier to bet on when patience is built into the plan."   It's all about understanding your situation. I don't agree that it's an inherently difficult choice like the author is suggesting in the following excerpt. At the very least, I think that it should be easier as long as all parties involved stay levelheaded and true to their process.    "That is what makes these draft decisions so difficult. "Every front office believes it can find the next Metcalf, Owens, or Marshall. Sometimes they do. More often, they are betting on a development path that may take years to complete. "The challenge is understanding what your offense needs right now. "If a team has patience, stability, and a quarterback capable of carrying the offense while a receiver develops, betting on traits can make sense. But if a young quarterback needs immediate help, there is a strong argument for prioritizing the receiver who already knows how to separate, create throwing , and earn trust from day one. "That’s why the Xavier Legette-Ladd McConkey debate remains so fascinating. "It was never really a discussion about talent. It was a discussion about timing."   For me, Ladd McConkey was talented enough in his own right, that the gap--the upside--was never as big as people are suggesting between not only McConkey and Legette, but McConkey and other receivers drafted in the first round during that draft. The technique divide between Ladd and X was pretty stark though, as was the roughly 35 pounds, but the speed was identical, the maybe 1½ height difference isn't huge (6' and 6'1"), and it may surprise some that Ladd's RAS (9.34) was also enough to put him in the top 10 percent of receivers since 1987. There is an argument that he would've been a better pick for Bryce and the Panthers, regardless of timeline and talent. But, I still appreciate the thesis (if you will) of the article, as it still provides some hope--perhaps a glimmer at this point, that X's RAS may finally translate to the NFL given more time, but, perhaps more importantly, it explains how Dan Morgan and company are showing improvement, even if it appears somewhat understated. My hope is that continued improvement is palpable by this time next year. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2026/05/30/xavier-legette-draft-lessons/#google_vignette        
×
×
  • Create New...