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Albert Breer on Panthers #1 pick (no trade back)

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21 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

Where would it be acceptable to pick a player “who is going to get killed”?

with that logic, he shouldn’t even be drafted at all. Lmao

You are on to something.  He’s going to be a bust so teams may want to steer clear.  

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22 hours ago, poundaway said:

So how long did Wilson last and how long did Cam last?

How many SBs for Wilson and how many for Cam?

How many SB rings for Wilson and how many for Cam?

Wilson is still going.  Cam's injuries have decimated his career.

The anecdotes do not support the size bias. 

The analysis does not support the size bias.

He's a smidge shorter than Wilson, does that 1/4 inch mean that he's a dead man walking?  I seriously doubt that.

Did being taller help Corral?  He didn't play a single regular season snap last year. Does our QB have to be taller than Corral to keep healthy?  Doubt it.

At some point its just bias.

I'm with Smitty.  Take the "taller processor", not the taller QB.

 

 

wilson in the 3rd cam 1st overall

1 SB for wilson and 0 cam

You are wrong for comparing wilson to young, different beast. 

Wilson also had the best rushing team average for like 4 years add that it over lapped with with having the top scoring Defense for like 5 years. Thats about all the help a decent QB needs.\

Heres is wilson web compare it to youngs-

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/bryce-young

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/russell-wilson

 

Bigger hands, longer arms and look at those speed numbers, wilson was allllllllllllllllllllllll that and hes truly 205+. He was also the leagues best at broken plays and never taking a big hit.....it was like he was covered in grease. 

So to end this, I do not like the wilson comparison. Young is tiny and small, alll of him. We dont even know his 3cone or 40 cause he couldnt run while water logged......Hes tiny, allll of him. He maybe slow or mid too....

I swear to all things holy, if a new "test" got hot cause the best team in the NFL put the last pick at QB and won some....fuging tepper, I swear, you better not fuccck this up...listen to the real football guys...

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wilson in the 3rd cam 1st overall

1 SB for wilson and 0 cam

You are wrong for comparing wilson to young, different beast. 

Wilson also had the best rushing team average for like 4 years add that it over lapped with with having the top scoring Defense for like 5 years. Thats about all the help a decent QB needs.\

Heres is wilson web compare it to youngs-

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/bryce-young

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/russell-wilson

 

Bigger hands, longer arms and look at those speed numbers, wilson was allllllllllllllllllllllll that and hes truly 205+. He was also the leagues best at broken plays and never taking a big hit.....it was like he was covered in grease. 

So to end this, I do not like the wilson comparison. Young is tiny and small, alll of him. We dont even know his 3cone or 40 cause he couldnt run while water logged......Hes tiny, allll of him. He maybe slow or mid too....

I swear to all things holy, if a new "test" got hot cause the best team in the NFL put the last pick at QB and won some....fuging tepper, I swear, you better not fuccck this up...listen to the real football guys...

So which small QB are you pointing to who's career ended early because he was smaller?

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5 minutes ago, Basbear said:

wilson in the 3rd cam 1st overall

1 SB for wilson and 0 cam

You are wrong for comparing wilson to young, different beast. 

Wilson also had the best rushing team average for like 4 years add that it over lapped with with having the top scoring Defense for like 5 years. Thats about all the help a decent QB needs.\

Heres is wilson web compare it to youngs-

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/bryce-young

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/russell-wilson

 

Bigger hands, longer arms and look at those speed numbers, wilson was allllllllllllllllllllllll that and hes truly 205+. He was also the leagues best at broken plays and never taking a big hit.....it was like he was covered in grease. 

So to end this, I do not like the wilson comparison. Young is tiny and small, alll of him. We dont even know his 3cone or 40 cause he couldnt run while water logged......Hes tiny, allll of him. He maybe slow or mid too....

I swear to all things holy, if a new "test" got hot cause the best team in the NFL put the last pick at QB and won some....fuging tepper, I swear, you better not fuccck this up...listen to the real football guys...

 1/2 inch in arm length and 1/2 inch in hand size difference is really not a huge difference. Russell Wilson was also 2 years older and had two more years of college starting experience. Two years in an NFL weight room is more than enough to add 5-10 pounds of muscle. Nitpicking season is here in full force.

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9 minutes ago, poundaway said:

So which small QB are you pointing to who's career ended early because he was smaller?

wilson is a wizard.

If you tell me young will be a eel wizard and panthers will have the top rushing attack and best scoring D.......young could work. 

Cam being out is mainly due to Cam and not the bum shoulder. Cam also could have found a true treacher about learn how to throw with correct mechanics..... wilson also has never ran power drives like cam, he had better coaches...another not Cam fault and lucky for wilson. Cam could also still be in the NFL as a Backup but personality is too high.  

You can compare the two, they are totally different. Ones is the luckierst eel wizard and the other is TINY!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

 1/2 inch in arm length and 1/2 inch in hand size difference is really not a huge difference. Russell Wilson was also 2 years older and had two more years of college starting experience. Two years in an NFL weight room is more than enough to add 5-10 pounds of muscle. Nitpicking season is here in full force.

You going to overlook those other numbers and do we pretend about youngs?

Plus the body, wilson was much thicker....shoulders chest, legs, etc. When young gets drafted he will be the smallest QB in the league. PJwalker is his big bro. 

Wilson was also 2011 when this stuff wasnt at the current roid up level it is now and young was at either the best strength program or next too. He still looks like he stepped off a HS field after 3 years. 

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24 minutes ago, Basbear said:

wilson is a wizard.

If you tell me young will be a eel wizard and panthers will have the top rushing attack and best scoring D.......young could work. 

Cam being out is mainly due to Cam and not the bum shoulder. Cam also could have found a true treacher about learn how to throw with correct mechanics..... wilson also has never ran power drives like cam, he had better coaches...another not Cam fault and lucky for wilson. Cam could also still be in the NFL as a Backup but personality is too high.  

You can compare the two, they are totally different. Ones is the luckierst eel wizard and the other is TINY!

 

 

You're saying smaller QBs get hurt.  I'm asking you to name one that got hurt because he was small.

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37 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You going to overlook those other numbers and do we pretend about youngs?

Plus the body, wilson was much thicker....shoulders chest, legs, etc. When young gets drafted he will be the smallest QB in the league. PJwalker is his big bro. 

Wilson was also 2011 when this stuff wasnt at the current roid up level it is now and young was at either the best strength program or next too. He still looks like he stepped off a HS field after 3 years. 

Mick is that you?

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12 minutes ago, poundaway said:

You're saying smaller QBs get hurt.  I'm asking you to name one that got hurt because he was small.

No I am not. i have higher concerns.

There isnt one like young thats gotten injuried, why? welllll they dont make the 63 roster.....you can go back the 60s and young may finally have equal size and weight.

He is tiny and small and short. Hes the farrrrest away form the typical size or even average size, IN everything arms, height, weight, etc. That is my issue or issues. Hes a far out out-layer. 

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No I am not. i have higher concerns.

There isnt one like young thats gotten injuried, why? welllll they dont make the 63 roster.....you can go back the 60s and young may finally have equal size and weight.

He is tiny and small and short. Hes the farrrrest away form the typical size or even average size, IN everything arms, height, weight, etc. That is my issue or issues. Hes a far out out-layer. 

 

But surely the smallest qb's up until now got hurt at a higher rate cause they're too small.  Right?  And yet you can't name one.

Is it possible, just possible, that there's little correlation between size and injury, or even the slightest chance that injury INCREASES with weight as the analysis shows.... because when you fall, all that extra weight creates stress on the  joints, particularly shoulders when they try to brace the fall?

I understand the conventional wisdom.  But theres no anecdotes, data or analysis to support it. Young, just like Wilson, Brees and Murray will probably shatter it, yet again.

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